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Huge fit! Partner hits your suit

Poll: Pick your poison (27 member(s) have cast votes)

Pick your poison

  1. Pass (woof!) (1 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  2. 2D (forcing raise) (1 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  3. 2S (simple raise) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 3D (mixed raise) (3 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  5. 4S (preemptive) (20 votes [74.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 74.07%

  6. Other (psyche) (2 votes [7.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

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#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2009-April-16, 07:55

All red, you pick up in 4th position:

Scoring: IMP


When you hear 1♦ on your left, you consider in what situations you would overcall. But then partner surprises you with 1♠, and RHO passes...
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Posted 2009-April-16, 07:58

4♠.

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Posted 2009-April-16, 08:03

I think 4S is too much.... yes, 6 good trumps, but two doubtful doubletons and a (very likely) wasted King... I might be too high and oppos might not have anything also.

Probably 3S or 3D.

I like 3S better because I leave oppos one less slot to come alive again ;)
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Posted 2009-April-16, 08:08

miguelm, on Apr 16 2009, 10:03 AM, said:

I think 4S is too much.... yes, 6 good trumps, but two doubtful doubletons and a (very likely) wasted King... I might be too high and oppos might not have anything also.

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Posted 2009-April-16, 08:36

Apollo81, on Apr 16 2009, 01:58 PM, said:

I'm not a big dog-walking fan.

This isn't a dog-walking situation because it is possible that LHO has a distributional 2-suited hand or something. The only bid that causes trouble is 4♠. Other bids allow him to show his hand at a lowish level.

4♠ is arguably technically wrong, but it's probably the correct tactical call.
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Posted 2009-April-16, 09:17

If I had four trump, this would be a mixed raise. With 6 trump, its silly.

4♠ doesn't describe this hand at all, but it does put a lot of pressure on the opponents.

If pard opened 1♠, a 3N response like a lot of us play comes close to describing this hand: "I want to play 4♠, but my bid isn't purely preemptive, and I (inferentially) have a little defense".

I haven't had a legitimate 3N response to an overcall in a long time. Scratch, that, never.

Without anything fancy, I'll just shoot 4♠.
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Posted 2009-April-16, 09:47

4♠, right or wrong, seems obvious.
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Posted 2009-April-16, 11:05

This is about as wtp as they come. Why do people waste valuable brain cells on problems like this?
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Posted 2009-April-16, 16:14

4♠. Not too many brain cells wasted.
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Posted 2009-April-16, 16:27

My reasonings where on the track of Phil's. But when I foun we were vulnerable, I didn't think my 4♠ was a bad description any more.

Not vulnerable I am tempted to make a mixed raise and raise it to 4.
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Posted 2009-April-17, 03:12

I honestly think any bid but 4♠ is an unlucky expert bid: technically flawless, in practice a failure.
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Posted 2009-April-17, 09:58

Where technically means what?
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Posted 2009-April-17, 10:29

Whereagles, you are confusing me. Could you explain this again?

whereagles, on Apr 16 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

4♠ is arguably technically wrong, but it's probably the correct tactical call.

whereagles, on Apr 17 2009, 04:12 AM, said:

I honestly think any bid but 4♠ is an unlucky expert bid: technically flawless, in practice a failure.

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Posted 2009-April-17, 10:59

orlam, on Apr 17 2009, 11:29 AM, said:

Whereagles, you are confusing me. Could you explain this again?

whereagles, on Apr 16 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

4♠ is arguably technically wrong, but it's probably the correct tactical call.

whereagles, on Apr 17 2009, 04:12 AM, said:

I honestly think any bid but 4♠ is an unlucky expert bid: technically flawless, in practice a failure.

Getting those two responses was canonical.
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Posted 2009-April-17, 12:03

jdonn, on Apr 17 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

orlam, on Apr 17 2009, 11:29 AM, said:

Whereagles, you are confusing me. Could you explain this again?

whereagles, on Apr 16 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

4♠ is arguably technically wrong, but it's probably the correct tactical call.

whereagles, on Apr 17 2009, 04:12 AM, said:

I honestly think any bid but 4♠ is an unlucky expert bid: technically flawless, in practice a failure.

Getting those two responses was canonical.

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Posted 2009-April-19, 16:48

orlam, on Apr 17 2009, 04:29 PM, said:

Whereagles, you are confusing me. Could you explain this again?

whereagles, on Apr 16 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

4♠ is arguably technically wrong, but it's probably the correct tactical call.

whereagles, on Apr 17 2009, 04:12 AM, said:

I honestly think any bid but 4♠ is an unlucky expert bid: technically flawless, in practice a failure.

huh? I don't see what's the problem, but ok.

What I mean is that 4♠ is a practical bid that may be wrong (technically wrong) but puts a lot of pressure (hence, correct tactical call).

Other bids may show the hand better than 4♠ (hence, those other bids are tecnically flawless) but leave space for opener to describe a possible 1 or 2 suiter, which might give you hard time if opps bid over 4♠ (unlucky expert, who bids flawlessly but then gets the final guess because he neglects tactical issues).

Clearer now?
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