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#1 User is offline   olegru 

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Posted 2009-March-27, 07:31

You are agreed to play 2/1 with no negative free bid.

You open 1 ♥, opponent bid 1♠ and your partner on non-passed hand bid 2♦.
1♥ - (1♠) - 2♦?

Question is: is it forcing game or not by system definition or there are different 2/1 styles and this bid can be game forcing or just round forcing depending on agreements?
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Posted 2009-March-27, 07:40

Most people play it as 10 or 11+ so it's not neccessarily forcing to game. Opener has to rebid though so it's forcing for at least a round.

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Posted 2009-March-27, 07:51

Yeah, in competition you play acol or goren or whatever you call it: a new suit by an unpassed responder is forcing and a reverse or jump shift by opener is forcing, but very little else is forcing.
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Posted 2009-March-27, 08:14

If you really want to show a huge hand then start with a double/cue bid (with support). This however should be forcing for min 1 rnd.
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Posted 2009-March-27, 09:12

jdaming, on Mar 27 2009, 09:14 AM, said:

If you really want to show a huge hand then start with a double/cue bid (with support).  This however should be forcing for min 1 rnd.

This is true only for those who play negative free bids, and they are a (deservedly, imo) unpopular and definitely non-standard approach.

A 2/1 in competition can be played as gf, but this, too, is an unpopular minority view. The consensus appears to be that the 2/1 has no upper limit (hence can be HUGE) while having a lower limit of around 10 hcp.
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Posted 2009-March-27, 09:17

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This is true only for those who play negative free bids, and they are a (deservedly, imo) unpopular and definitely non-standard approach.


It's standard in Poland. Poland has many sensible bidding theorists.

Basically the lighter your 1-bids are, the better negative free bids become. The sounder your 1-bids, the better forcing free bids become. Your pick.
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Posted 2009-March-27, 15:05

I enjoyed the chapter of Mike Lawrence's 2/1 book where he discusses freebids on the 2 level. It's a really complete discussion with many example hands.
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Posted 2009-March-27, 16:07

I don't believe in negative free bids because when you're strong, they make you too liable to be preempted with simple raise bids. Typical "unlucky expert" traps.
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Posted 2009-March-27, 16:21

Usually it is forcing for at least one round but not to game. In Bridge World Standard for example, it is forcing to the next level of partner's suit. So in your example, it is just forcing to 2♥.
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