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#1 User is offline   happybridge 

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Posted 2004-May-14, 20:14

E S W N
1D 1H - 1S
- 2H - 3C


N-S:2/1
W-E:2/1

sit in south:
1.is 2 right here?or 2better?
2.after pd 3,what you next bid?

thx :D
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Posted 2004-May-14, 21:05

No, 2 is not correct. That 6 card suit looks more like a four or five card one to me, especially on this auction. I would raise to 2 immediately.

What do I bid over 3? Well, i would not be at this point now. My hand is actually very nice for this auction. The JTx are nice, the singleton A is nice, and of course those three spades including two of the top three honors are golden. This minimum hand is actually GREAT on this auction. If I had bid this way (which I would not have), I would not now bid only 3, as that sounds like, well, I had to take a preference between your suits and I may not be happy about it. So I am going to bid aggressively now. I might just jump to 4, but I think instead I will cue-bid 3 followed by a raise.
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Posted 2004-May-14, 21:12

2S.
Hearts are not good enough for 2H. Over 3C I bid 4S. Very similar to Ben's answer, however I would not cuebid 3D followed by a S raise. In my partnerships that would show a better C fit than on the current hand, (not that JTx is a bad fit, far from it). We bid this way in case partner is looking for something beyond game, in either C or S.
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Posted 2004-May-15, 03:59

1. 2
2. 4

KISS bridge :D Misho
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Posted 2004-May-15, 17:21

2, my are not good enough to mention.
3 is a gametry and I accept.

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Posted 2004-May-15, 17:55

I just hate so much raising with 3 cards (if you ever play with me please DO NOT DO THAT EVER) so I beleive 2 or maybe 2 are the best voices.

Ok, ok, the honnors contradict those bids so much, maybe even me this time would bid 2 (but I doubt it :) )

Your partner bid a new suit over his rebid of 2? we are on GF then, I am happy with 3.

Oh yeah I contradict everyone, I love it ;)
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Posted 2004-May-15, 18:58

Fluffy - 2 points
Your partner almost certainly has 5S so there is no problem raisning on 3 card support. Much better than bidding that motheaten H suit again.

If you only bid 3S after partners's new suit, partner will pass. 3C is a game try and by bidding 3S you have rejected it.
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Posted 2004-May-16, 08:52

Hey Ron!

I play it kinda different, 1= 4+ cards 1 round forcing.

3 invitational?, mmm not sure, but ok, bidding 4 can´t hurt.
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Posted 2004-May-16, 14:38

Fluffy, on May 16 2004, 09:52 AM, said:

Hey Ron!

I play it kinda different, 1= 4+ cards 1 round forcing.

3 invitational?, mmm not sure, but ok, bidding 4 can´t hurt.

Its ok to play 1s to show 4 but this isnt the normal way and since there was no alert in the question we can assume its 5 card.
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Posted 2004-May-16, 15:58

Well I played it showing 5 until something like this came up:

KJTx
Ax
xxx
KQxx

(1) 1 (p) ?

Do you
a) Bid 1 anyway?
B) Bid 2NT without stopper?
c) Bid 2 which is forcing but shows something completely different

1st question: I like raising 4-card suits to the 2-level. 2.
2nd question: 4.

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Posted 2004-May-16, 17:15

Flame, on May 16 2004, 08:38 PM, said:

Its ok to play 1s to show 4 but this isnt the normal way and since there was no alert in the question we can assume its 5 card.

There is no standard method defined for this sequence, how do you know what you say is the normal way?, just because 90% people consider it that way?, I think mine is the normal B) :D :D
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Posted 2004-May-16, 17:56

Fluffy, on May 16 2004, 06:15 PM, said:

Flame, on May 16 2004, 08:38 PM, said:

Its ok to play 1s to show 4 but this isnt the normal way and since there was no alert in the question we can assume its 5 card.

There is no standard method defined for this sequence, how do you know what you say is the normal way?, just because 90% people consider it that way?, I think mine is the normal B) :D :)

me too :D
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Posted 2004-May-16, 17:59

Gerben47, on May 16 2004, 04:58 PM, said:

Well I played it showing 5 until something like this came up:

KJTx
Ax
xxx
KQxx

(1) 1 (p) ?

Do you
a) Bid 1 anyway?
B) Bid 2NT without stopper?
c) Bid 2 which is forcing but shows something completely different

1st question: I like raising 4-card suits to the 2-level. 2.
2nd question: 4.

Gerben

bid double (lol i was teaching a group today, was trying to explain to them that sometimes you will responde 2c over opener's 1M with only 3 cards, and this guy kept telling me he would double, no matter how much i tried to explain, he insisted on doubling his partner)
I am not sure 2d show a completely different hand.
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Posted 2004-May-17, 14:28

Flame, on May 16 2004, 11:59 PM, said:

bid double (lol i was teaching a group today, was trying to explain to them that sometimes you will responde 2c over opener's 1M with only 3 cards, and this guy kept telling me he would double, no matter how much i tried to explain, he insisted on doubling his partner)
I am not sure 2d show a completely different hand.

For those of us who play 4 card majors on this position cue-bid promises fit (maybe this comes from the fact that we often overcall 4 card suits :rolleyes: )
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