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You hold:
♠Kxxx
♥Txx
♦Txxx
♣xx
All Red, bidding goes:
1♦ X 3♣* Pa
Pa X Pa 3♠
4♣ X Pa ???
3♣ was weak, it's a Swiss tournament, next to last round, second table.
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Doubling partner... What would you have done?
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Posted 2009-March-19, 03:01
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 03:18
I have a balanced crap hand and partner thinks 4♣ isn't making if I have a balanced crap hand. I agree with partner and pass. This is an easy decision but they might make.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 04:25
Lead a spade 
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Posted 2009-March-19, 07:13
It's not my problem if partner should have bid 4♠ (and I suspect that he should have based on the auction).
However, his double is 100% penalty (he has doubled for takeout twice and we have now bid a suit; any subsequent doubles are penalty-oriented). There's nothing unusual about our hand that tells us we are better off pulling and we even have a possible trick.
So who are we to argue with partner?
However, his double is 100% penalty (he has doubled for takeout twice and we have now bid a suit; any subsequent doubles are penalty-oriented). There's nothing unusual about our hand that tells us we are better off pulling and we even have a possible trick.
So who are we to argue with partner?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2009-March-19, 07:25
bid_em_up, on Mar 19 2009, 02:13 PM, said:
his double is 100% penalty
Disagree. He is suggesting a 3451 shape and I am allowed to use my judgment. With no fivecard the decision is easy, though.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 07:35
His doubles are: t/o, extras and more extras in that order. The 3rd double in particular has heard you are minimum with preference for spades, yet he still has no clear idea of where to play. You can bid again with extra shape in the form of extra spade length, or a long, undisclosed side-suit. But lacking those, you're default action is to pass.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 09:57
Partner's first double already promised something in clubs or a very strong hand. With the very strong hands, he would have bid a suit (single suiters), some number of NT (balanced hands) or cuebid (either on the first round or later) if he wasn't prepared to defend 3♣X. Since he didn't, he was already prepared to defend 3♣X if we would have had a few clubs and a misfit.
He must be willing to defend 4♣X now. I would say down two, and we don't make anything. Of course, if you would have the hand for it (e.g. a weak hand with lots of major cards), you are allowed to pull the double. But you don't have such a hand.
BTW, partner cannot turn up with short clubs and long diamonds (as Helene suggests). In that case he would have passed over 1♦. (After all, what was he going to bid if you would have bid clubs?)
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He must be willing to defend 4♣X now. I would say down two, and we don't make anything. Of course, if you would have the hand for it (e.g. a weak hand with lots of major cards), you are allowed to pull the double. But you don't have such a hand.
BTW, partner cannot turn up with short clubs and long diamonds (as Helene suggests). In that case he would have passed over 1♦. (After all, what was he going to bid if you would have bid clubs?)
Rik
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Posted 2009-March-19, 10:09
helene_t, on Mar 19 2009, 08:25 AM, said:
bid_em_up, on Mar 19 2009, 02:13 PM, said:
his double is 100% penalty
Disagree. He is suggesting a 3451 shape and I am allowed to use my judgment. With no fivecard the decision is easy, though.
My partners would not be making an initial takeout double of 1D while holding 5 diamonds and only 1 club (and a hand that is now supposedly good enough to be willing to play on the four level, as this hand would have made a trap pass of 1D)......and that appears (to me) to be what you are saying.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2009-March-19, 10:19
Double of 3♣ was penalty in my book (he made a take-out double of diamonds, that means he has clubs himself). Now he's doubled 4♣? I'm pleased I have what may well be a defensive trick and a couple of trumps, both of which are more than he can expect.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 11:02
The problem here isn't to apply your book to the situation, but rather guess what pard's book is
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Posted 2009-March-19, 11:32
I'm not used to unilateral penalty doubles of partscores by an unpassed hand that hasn't heard anything from partner.
So for me, X of 3♣ was take-out of clubs. X of 4♣ is in principle still for take-out but he is oriented towards defending, since he couldn't raise spades. A strong 3442 would bid like this. With flat distribution I have an easy pass.
So for me, X of 3♣ was take-out of clubs. X of 4♣ is in principle still for take-out but he is oriented towards defending, since he couldn't raise spades. A strong 3442 would bid like this. With flat distribution I have an easy pass.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 11:34
Partner has certainly made at least one penalty double and we have a king and 2 trumps more than we promised. That makes it a clear pass in my book.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 11:36
Swishing. Pard will be happy I can contribute something here.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 12:34
The first double was takeout, the second double showed values (probably not with a lot of clubs). The third double shows an even better hand and tends to deny 4 spades. We have an easy pass.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 12:57
bid_em_up, on Mar 19 2009, 05:09 PM, said:
My partners would not be making an initial takeout double of 1D while holding 5 diamonds and only 1 club
Sorry, I must have been asleep, I thought he had been doubling clubs all the time. You are right of course.
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Posted 2009-March-19, 13:12
Another WTP pass ..we have bid our hand allready via our first pass then forced 3♠. PD's final double should say that he expects to beat them even if we are broke.
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