[VegasVern]

Scoring: MP

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The bidding: I deal and open 1♠

1♠ 2♥ 4♠ P
P 5♥ P P
P

I'm wondering how ya'll would bid this hand. I'll put up partner's hand tomorrow. Thanks

[matmat]

1♠
p
p

this is fine

i looked up the hand. your p misbid blatantly... twice...

[whereagles]

Yeah, from our point of view, everything's as normal as it gets.

[keylime]

4♠ doesn't help pard in terms of values. Start with a 3♥ cuebid or a 4m fit jump if this is responder's hand.

[Apollo81]

I'd do the same thing with your hand.

[VegasVern]

matmat, on Mar 18 2009, 11:44 PM, said:

1♠
p
p

this is fine

i looked up the hand. your p misbid blatantly... twice...

How did you look up the hand?

[Apollo81]

VegasVern, on Mar 19 2009, 11:29 AM, said:

How did you look up the hand?

http://online.bridge...hands/index.php

Now that I've looked it up, your partner should have bid 3♥ over 2♥ showing a limit raise or better. At the very least he should have doubled 5♥.

[VegasVern]

Scoring: MP

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The Bidding. I'm North and open 1♠

1♠ 2♥ 4♠ P
P 5♥ P P P

Here are both hands. I have a couple of questions. I thought partner's raise to 4♠ was weakish, hence the reason I didn't bid 5♠ or double, although double still felt right. (We set them 2, and should have set them 3, but since we were vulnerable vs not 4 or 5 spades making was the better contract.)

Is it correct to cuebid 3♥ with partner's hand only holding 3 trump? If a cuebid is wrong then what would be the proper bid?

Thanks

[Apollo81]

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I thought partner's raise to 4♠ was weakish, hence the reason I didn't bid 5♠ or double

Correct

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Is it correct to cuebid 3♥ with partner's hand only holding 3 trump?

Correct

[brianshark]

I might have bid 3♣ with responder's hand over 2♥, and showed my ♠ support later. That does approximately the same job, but you might find 5♠ that way instead of 5♥ doubled.

[keylime]

I bid a natural forcing 3♣ here. Then when I come back with 4♠, pard is much better placed to double or bid on. I'm not a fan of denying biddible five card suits.

[ASkolnick]

Keylime, you are OK here because you hold spades the master suit, but I do think it would be a problem if you had hearts and the opponents have spades

1H-1S-2C-4S now you would be in a very awkward position with 3 card support.

[mikeh]

ASkolnick, on Mar 20 2009, 10:03 AM, said:

Keylime, you are OK here because you hold spades the master suit, but I do think it  would be a problem if you had hearts and the opponents have spades

1H-1S-2C-4S now you would be in a very awkward position with 3 card support.

It's worse than that.

Assume 1♠ [2♥] 3♣ [5♥], which is not uncommon with a hand that was going to bid 5♥ over a spade raise.

Generally, if we can anticipate competition, and we have nothing more than gf values, it is useful to show the fit immediately.. of course, with say 4=5 shape in the blacks, we can do this via a fit jump, which is one reason fit jumps are so popular. With this hand, with no real slam interest, I would prefer the cue bid limit or better.

[P_Marlowe]

#1 Usually 4S is a preemptive raise, you have to agree on
this, but it would be the standard meaning for players
from a certain level upwards.
This assumes a unlimited 1S opener, playing a limited
opening, 4S could be far more wideranging, but make
sure, you know, what to do, if they bid over 4S.
#2 The cue just showes fit and inv. strength.
There are systems out there, which allow you to
differentiate between 3 card / 4 card support, but they are
certainly not standart.
This is luxury, nice if it comes up, but not really needed.
#3 After 5H your partner was enplayed, he needed to guess
right. But given the opponents bidding I would double if
I could find the smallest excue, you have a responsibilty
to teach them.
The guy wanted to play 2H, not 4H, and now over 4S wants
to play 5H, and his partner never say anything, double.
=> On this ground opener could also double, but it is of
course less clear, but I would be willing to pay as opener,
if the double turned out to be wrong.

With kind regards
Marlowe