Hi all
I have a question about the following strong club sequence:
IMPS, all vuln
1♣- (pass) - 1♦- (1♠)
pass-pass- ?
If I am correct, opener's pass shows he is ready to make a penalty pass if pard reopens with a double.
If this is true, my questions then become:
1) How strong must opener be to make a trap pass ? What are the requirements in terms of HCP and length in the overcaller suit ?
e.g.♠AKxx♥Kxx♦QJxx♣Axx
Does this hand meet the requirements ? Or is bidding 1NT safer?
2) Assuming opener's pass is a trap pass, is pard obliged to reopen at any cost, either by double or bidding anything, even holding a yarborough ?
E.g., after the above sequence, what do you bid holding
Hand 1
♠xxxx♥x♦xxxx♣xxxx
Hand 2
♠x♥xxxx♦xxxx♣xxxx
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Precision: 1Club-pass- 1diam- opps overcall Opener's Trap pass/balancing obligations
#1
Posted 2004-May-11, 03:52
"Bridge is like dance: technique's important but what really matters is not to step on partner's feet !"
#2
Posted 2004-May-11, 03:55
As far as I know, there is no trap pass after 1c-p-1d-1s; ? Pls refer to hamman and soloway's sys for over intervention.
#3
Posted 2004-May-11, 07:33
Im not familier with this but I'm pretty sure a pass cant be only use for a trap pass, the all idea of a trap pass is the ability to show two type of hands with this pass, the trap which will pass partner next bid, and another one which will do something else.
#4
Posted 2004-May-11, 10:05
This is not a good position for a trap pass. Strengthen your example hand by an Ace and you still may have trouble setting 1S if partner is broke. A trap pass at the one level really must have five good trumps at least.
A better use is for pass to show weakness (relative to having opend a big club). Typically, this would be a balanced or semibalanced hand without a stopper, not shaped right for a takeout double. You can still trap with excellent spades--if partner reopens with a double (showing some values) you leave it in and bid spades otherwise. If partner leaves it in with a weak hand you may or may not set them with the strong spades, but defending 1S undoubled should be OK, as it is their hand and they have a better fit elsewhere most of the time.
All of the above presupposes that their 1S is natural here--many partnerships use variations of their defense directly over the big club in this position.
A better use is for pass to show weakness (relative to having opend a big club). Typically, this would be a balanced or semibalanced hand without a stopper, not shaped right for a takeout double. You can still trap with excellent spades--if partner reopens with a double (showing some values) you leave it in and bid spades otherwise. If partner leaves it in with a weak hand you may or may not set them with the strong spades, but defending 1S undoubled should be OK, as it is their hand and they have a better fit elsewhere most of the time.
All of the above presupposes that their 1S is natural here--many partnerships use variations of their defense directly over the big club in this position.
#5
Posted 2004-May-11, 10:21
I agree with the above posts. This isn't an always trap pass situation. It's just too rare of a situation that you'd have the hand that wants to defend 1♠x for you to use your cheapest bid to show this. Plus you're going to have trouble defining acceptable ranges for your balanced hands if you can't pass without a trump stack. Pass should be a minimum NT (15-17 or 16-18), bid 1NT with more than a minimum (18-20 or 19-21).
A bit of blatant self-pimping - I've got a new poker book that's getting good reviews.
#6
Posted 2004-May-13, 00:50
tysen2k, on May 11 2004, 06:21 PM, said:
I agree with the above posts. This isn't an always trap pass situation. It's just too rare of a situation that you'd have the hand that wants to defend 1♠x for you to use your cheapest bid to show this. Plus you're going to have trouble defining acceptable ranges for your balanced hands if you can't pass without a trump stack. Pass should be a minimum NT (15-17 or 16-18), bid 1NT with more than a minimum (18-20 or 19-21).
I agree too and want to add that best way to bid here is like your normal overcall structure include michaels for example, but with hcp ranges connected to 1♣ Precision opening. You can play trap pass rebid on opps overcall, only if opening is enough strong to promisse self rebid, like 1 NT ROMEX opening (any strong 2).
Misho
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