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Your expert bid is... Assess this situation for me, please

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  1. X. Partner has them. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Pass. I've bid too much already. (13 votes [28.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.89%

  3. 3H. We have a fit, let's play there. (28 votes [62.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.22%

  4. 4H. No wastage in diamonds, game is highly likely. (4 votes [8.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.89%

  5. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

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Posted 2009-March-10, 05:11

W/R, holding:

♠T8xxx
♥KT8x
♦---
♣JTxx

Bidding goes:

Pass 1NT x 2♣
Pass 2♥ 3♦ ???

Your 2♣ was stayman, of course and their double was DONT, 3♦ is their suit. Your call and why.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-March-10, 05:17

Pass. By the way, I don't like your options - I "haven't bid too much already."
Bidding 3H over a Dont bid would be invitational for me, and anyway, I am not pushing to the 3 level on an 8 card fit when trumps are likely to break badly anyway.
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Posted 2009-March-10, 05:38

I'll go with 3♥, not caring much if pard raises it or not. Hand has a lot of playing potential.
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Posted 2009-March-10, 05:42

3♥ looks normal.

It also looks normal for 3♥ to be competitive here, rather than strictly invitational.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-March-10, 06:11

3H down the middle. I wouldn't even mind if 3H here was treated as invitational, since my void can be easily compensated for trump tricks. I would just hate to give in to 3D when we have an 8 or a possible 9 card fit.
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Posted 2009-March-10, 07:19

Would it change your choice had the bidding gone:

Pa Pa 1N X
2♣ Pa 2♥ 3♦
???

Does the fact that you passed at the start change anything? What do the 4♥ bidders say? What would you do if you passed 3♦ and your partner doubled? Would you open the hand we're discussing with 2♠ showing 5♠'s and a minor? How would you make somebody understand it's a bad bid?

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-March-10, 07:27

Before I can answer your question, I'd like to know your agreements about the Stayman convention and the NT-range.
For a lot of player Stayman is a GF bid. If this is the case, I won't be able to stop anyway, so I should make sure we're on the right track.
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Posted 2009-March-10, 07:41

3H, not invitational.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-March-10, 07:42

I think they call it scrambling stayman and some answers are passable of course, I mean stayman is not FG. 1NT is 15-17.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-March-10, 08:39

3♥, if partner takes it as invitational game may have a play. If partner correctly takes it as to play, mission accomplished.
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Posted 2009-March-10, 08:56

3♥ not invitational, and yet if partner bids game over it I am not unhappy.
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Posted 2009-March-10, 10:02

hotShot, on Mar 10 2009, 08:27 AM, said:

Before I can answer your question, I'd like to know your agreements about the Stayman convention and the NT-range.
For a lot of player Stayman is a GF bid. If this is the case, I won't be able to stop anyway, so I should make sure we're on the right track.

You are the first and only person of whom I know, who plays or even suggests that Stayman is a GF bid. I am going toake your statement about "a lot of players" with a large grain of salt.
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Posted 2009-March-10, 22:34

Curious as to how those who claim 3H is not invitational actually invite. A double of 3D here would be penalties.
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Posted 2009-March-11, 00:15

Hanoi5, on Mar 10 2009, 06:11 AM, said:

W/R, holding:

♠T8xxx
♥KT8x
♦---
♣JTxx

Bidding goes:

Pass 1NT x 2♣
Pass 2♥ 3♦ ???

Your 2♣ was stayman, of course and their double was DONT, 3♦ is their suit. Your call and why.

1) I do not understand....the opp say they have clubs and other or what is x? If one suited..I got suits........
2) I have clubs and other
3) How do I defend?
4) cannot i xx and make a forcing pass wait?
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Posted 2009-March-11, 00:24

in any event if 1nt=x=dont




then
I bid 2h=trfr to spades...I expect the bidding is not over.........
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Posted 2009-March-11, 00:25

The_Hog, on Mar 10 2009, 11:34 PM, said:

Curious as to how those who claim 3H is not invitational actually invite. A double of 3D here would be penalties.

Curious to see how those who claim 3♥ is invitational actually compete.

Obviously we can't do everything. I'm happy to bid game on most invites.
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Posted 2009-March-11, 15:17

The_Hog, on Mar 11 2009, 05:34 AM, said:

Curious as to how those who claim 3H is not invitational actually invite. A double of 3D here would be penalties.

With an invitational hand I'd just bid game.

In the auction
  1♥  (3♦)
don't you play 3♥ as competitive, and bid game on hands that would have invited in an uncontested auction? If so, why is this different?
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Posted 2009-March-11, 18:30

The_Hog, on Mar 11 2009, 05:34 PM, said:

Curious as to how those who claim 3H is not invitational actually invite. A double of 3D here would be penalties.

When the opponent's compete then we can't always invite.

Maybe some authority should classify this overcalling as destructive so that our side can bid more accurately without interference.
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Posted 2009-March-11, 23:12

gnasher, on Mar 12 2009, 04:17 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Mar 11 2009, 05:34 AM, said:

Curious as to how those who claim 3H is not invitational actually invite. A double of 3D here would be penalties.

With an invitational hand I'd just bid game.

In the auction
  1♥  (3♦)
don't you play 3♥ as competitive, and bid game on hands that would have invited in an uncontested auction? If so, why is this different?

No I wouldn't Gnasher. If you bid this way you are allowing you opponents to bully you into bidding poor games. You will get a reputation for this, and it will happen with increasing frequency. For me a 3H bid here would always be invitational - always has ben, always will be; and every partner I have ever played with agrees wholeheartedly.
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Posted 2009-March-14, 12:55

Obvious 3♥ bid for me. It's competitive only - we have no invites here. (If partner raises to game, I'm not unhappy about it.)
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