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Make a slam try or not?

Poll: Pick your poison (26 member(s) have cast votes)

Pick your poison

  1. I raise 1N to 3N (19 votes [73.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.08%

  2. I transfer to [di] then bid 3N (mild slam try) (7 votes [26.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.92%

  3. I make a quantitative raise of 1N to 4N (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. I have some other method to show this hand (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Other (explain) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   bid_em_up 

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Posted 2009-March-09, 09:51

Scoring: MP

Opps silent. Partner opens 1N (15-17).


About halfway thru the session, with what seems to be a decent game going (your pair has had no serious blunders/errors, while the opponents tend to roll over and play dead), you pick up this hand as South and hear partner open 1N.

What is your course of action?
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Posted 2009-March-09, 10:07

Transfer to diamonds and 3N seems about perfect to me.

(edited): Maybe I saw the hand wrong, but I swear there were seven diamonds before.

Obvious 3N.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 10:44

I'm a pessimist, but I'll try 3♦ then 3NT.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 11:32

I'll just bid 3NT.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 11:35

Transferring to diamonds, bidding diamonds? Anyone influenced since this is a forum post? No that can't be it.

I think this exact hand is in some Audrey Grant textbooks next to what a 3NT bid can look like.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 11:37

I like the 'mild' slam try. This hand might not even be game-worth in front of some 1NT openings but it could also be good for 6. If I didn't have that agreement I'd bid 4NT but purely because I love playing a slam (or that my partner plays it and makes it).

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-March-09, 11:38

jdonn, on Mar 9 2009, 12:35 PM, said:

Transferring to diamonds, bidding diamonds? Anyone influenced since this is a forum post? No that can't be it.

I think this exact hand is in some Audrey Grant textbooks next to what a 3NT bid can look like.

Whoops, I have to change my answer then. I don't want people to think I've been rereading my club series.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 11:42

A straight 3NT. To look for a slam here is a nice way to mess up a simple hand. You got SEVEN losers, opposite an average cover card count of four. You'd be lucky to make 5♦.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 12:08

I'm gonna have to start simulating before answering, unfortunately I can't do it while playing IRL :)

When partner has a balanced hand 15-17 there is a 15% chance of a slam. If partner has 17 there is a 45% chance of a slam. Of course my constraints weren't very carefully chosen, opener could have a VERY good 5-card Major which most people would open 1M. (I dealt 100 15-17 and another 100 17 hands). Bottom line, I think it's not such a good idea to invite with this hand unless you're desperate.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-March-09, 12:36

jdonn, on Mar 9 2009, 12:35 PM, said:

I think this exact hand is in some Audrey Grant textbooks next to what a 3NT bid can look like.

I agree that it looks like a textbook 3N to me.

However, it is a real hand that occurred over the weekend, and for now, lets just say that 1N - 3N isn't the auction that was perpetrated at the table. :)
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Posted 2009-March-09, 15:22

A simple 3NT for me, I don't think slam is very likely...
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Posted 2009-March-09, 15:40

It would never occur to me to bid anything other than 3NT.

But then, a lot of things never occur to me.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 19:32

I think anyone who makes a slam try on this hand did not even bother to think about what kind of hands slam is good on.

I would make a slam try if I had a bid available to ask whether or not partner has 6 solid clubs and both major kings. Slam is not even cold opposite this hand, it's just good.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 19:56

rogerclee, on Mar 9 2009, 08:32 PM, said:

I would make a slam try if I had a bid available to ask whether or not partner has 6 solid clubs and both major kings. Slam is not even cold opposite this hand, it's just good.

Double.
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Posted 2009-March-09, 19:57

hanp, on Mar 9 2009, 06:56 PM, said:

rogerclee, on Mar 9 2009, 08:32 PM, said:

I would make a slam try if I had a bid available to ask whether or not partner has 6 solid clubs and both major kings. Slam is not even cold opposite this hand, it's just good.

Double.

I think I have a little egg on my face.
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