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2, 3, 4 again

Poll: what would you bid? (32 member(s) have cast votes)

what would you bid?

  1. 2 hearts (25 votes [78.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 78.12%

  2. 3 hearts (4 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  3. 4 hearts (3 votes [9.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  4. somethign else (explain) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2009-February-28, 07:25

♠4
♥K10987543
♦A9
♣AK


nobody vul
S - N
1♥-2♦ (GF)
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Posted 2009-February-28, 07:28

I think I'll start with 2♥, then bid 4♥ over partner's 3♦ or 2NT.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 12:13

2♥ followed by 4♥.
I won't overstate my suit quality. Playing 6♥ vs a low singleton isn't a good idea IMO.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 12:44

Hi,

3H.

We play hearts, I will tell p this as fast as possible.

I have seen the suggested plan 2H - 4H, maybe
better.

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Posted 2009-February-28, 12:50

P_Marlowe, on Feb 28 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

Hi,

3H.

We play hearts, I will tell p this as fast as possible.

I have seen the suggested plan 2H - 4H, maybe
better.

With kind regards
Marlowe

I originally thought this was better also, however 3♥ shows a much better trump suit; true we have 8 of them, but 3♥ shows nearly a self sustaining trump suit IMO.
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Posted 2009-February-28, 13:27

We're in a forcing game situation, 2♥ should be enough.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


View Postrbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2009-February-28, 13:28

The 1st difficulty is to decide whether we want to show our hand or to let pard describe his.

If we do the latter, 2♥ seems perfect. But, since I don't think the info pard can show will be very helpful, I'll just try and tell pard what I have.

So 3♥ seems just about par. Then we pull pard's next bid to 4♥ and hope he can make an educated guess afterwards.

And no, I don't agree that 3♥ should show a near-solid suit. That's, in my opinion, too restrictive.
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Posted 2009-March-01, 12:21

I bid 3♥. It may turn out badly but the alternative - 2♥ followed by 4♥ - seems like a substantial underbid.

It really depends on the luck of the dummy.
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Posted 2009-March-01, 13:34

2♥ wtp. You may belong in ♦ and you have space to explore...
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Posted 2009-March-02, 03:08

For me 3 ♥ would show good hearts and not this suit, so I am really surprised for the votes.
I can show this hand with 2 ♥ followed by 4 ♥.
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Posted 2009-March-02, 05:01

Codo, on Mar 2 2009, 09:08 AM, said:

I can show this hand with 2 ♥ followed by 4 ♥.

In my opninon, no, you can't. You have way too many controls to bid a mere 2♥. Your auction would be fine if you had an ace less, say

x
KT9xxxxx
Ax
Kx

or

x
KT9xxxxx
xx
AK

It is the wealth of top tricks that swings me into bidding 3♥. You lie about suit solidity (which might not even be a problem), but describe playing strength more accurately.
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Posted 2009-March-02, 08:31

whereagles, on Mar 2 2009, 06:01 AM, said:

It is the wealth of top tricks that swings me into bidding 3♥. You lie about suit solidity (which might not even be a problem), but describe playing strength more accurately.

Bidding 3♥ shows willingness to play slam opposite a small singleton

2♥ is still GF, and you will jump on your next turn.
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Posted 2009-March-02, 10:07

mtvesuvius, on Mar 2 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

Bidding 3♥ shows willingness to play slam opposite a small singleton

That's your definition, not mine. Sorry :)
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Posted 2009-March-02, 10:08

I don't like the 2/4 idea. 2 and then 4 for me shows something more like x, AQJxxxx, xx, Axx.

I will start with 2♥, bid 3♥ over whatever and then self-cue over 3N. If pard is holding a trump honor, he should cooperate.
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Posted 2009-March-02, 10:24

Phil, on Mar 2 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

I don't like the 2/4 idea. 2 and then 4 for me shows something more like x, AQJxxxx, xx, Axx.

I will start with 2♥, bid 3♥ over whatever and then self-cue over 3N. If pard is holding a trump honor, he should cooperate.

Pretty much I agree with this. I take 2 then 4 as a weaker hand with a stronger suit.
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Posted 2009-March-02, 12:45

Agree with Phil's plan. 3H would show much better hearts. 4H would show these hearts but a much weaker hand.

Sorry guys, I keep running into threads where somebody else has already said it all
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-March-02, 12:59

Btw, I remember Fred once posted his partnership agreements for the differences between (after a 2/1 response) 1 then 4, 1 then 3, 1 then 2 then 3, 1 then 2 then 4, etc. I remember thinking it was an extremely good summary and that I agreed with all his definitions almost to a tee. I don't suppose you are out there reading this and could maybe give your thoughts, fearless leader? Or maybe some amazing searcher could find his post, I think it was a year or two ago.
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Posted 2009-March-02, 13:33

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Posted 2009-March-03, 13:26

partner held something like KQxx-J-KJ10xx-Qxx you were gonna end up in 4♥ almost anyway.
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