[Cascade]

World Class partner.

No special agreements that relate to this auction how do you play partner's 4NT?

(1♠) 2♦ (2♠) 3♥
(3♠) 4♣ (P) 4NT?

If it is relevant you have:

♠ xx
♥ -
♦ AQxxxx
♣ Axxxx

Vul vs not

It is not your call yet ...

The bidding continues ...

(5♠) ?

What do you bid?

[Flame]

I would doube, the vulnarabilty is teriable for this bid, but i still far from sure about our slam (on this vul partner might even have 2 small spades), and also not sure wather i should bid 5c or 5d.
5sp rates to go down 4 down, with 3 hearts, and 3 tricks in minor which would be better then game score (in mp thats pretty good, in imp ill have to live with it).
Anyway my double is far from ending the aution and partner can still bid if he find a good resson to do that.

[Dwingo]

Partner is surely having support for either ♦ or ♣. Looks like asking for aces. With this bidding, I don't think pd has doubleton spade. Atmost a singleton. And very good chances of a ♠ void.

Good chance for 6♣ or 6♦ to make. The distribution is too skewed to defend this hand.

I am on lead on a 5♠X contract and I dont fancy my chance of getting to my partners hand , even for a single ♥ ruff.

Just respond to Ace asking - 5NT to show 2 aces ( playing D0P1). I am buying this contract.

[Flame]

I dont think this is ace asking bid. partner isnt sure what is the right contract and he want me to choose the suit.

[bergen]

I think it's ace asking. I will bid 5NT(DOPI)

[inquiry]

No special agreement, no known fit. What is 4NT? I don't think should be blackwood, but rather asking me to pick between two suits. Here, with a good defensive hand, in what has to be a forcing pass situation, and with no control in spades, I double.

Ben

[mishovnbg]

4NT: ♣ support, deny control ♠, slam interest. By my way also show even key cards, 5♣ show odd KC.
Dbl 5♠, because lack of ♠ control.

Misho

[dogsbreath]

agree (mostly) with Misho .. also I think pass is too encouraging ..suggets I have a spade control. X warns p of no S control but he can still go on.
Rgds Dog

[Fluffy]

What you have to ask yourself is why partner didn´t bid 4♠ for a slam try in ♣.

Maybe he lacks of ♠ control?, is that possible?, I doubt it, but looks liek the only reason, unless 4NT is meant to be with ♦ fit and 4♠with ♣.

Opponent seem to be trying to incomunicate a bit our blackwood (if he has the good info), but relying on your opponent isn´t a nice idea often.

Moreover, our hand is kinda MINIMUM, wit less than these shouldn´t we bid 2NT (universal agreement) instad of 2♦?

So I´ll double (weaker than pass), I don´t liek to make a forcing pass. Hopefully partner won´t take it as D0P1 because that is a agreement we didn´t make.

[mishovnbg]

Hi Gonzalo!

What you have to ask yourself is why partner didn´t bid 4♠ for a slam try in ♣.
-> Because lack of ♠ control

Maybe he lacks of ♠ control?, is that possible?, I doubt it, but looks like the only reason, unless 4NT is meant to be with ♦ fit and 4♠with ♣.
->With ♦ fit he have 4♦ bid.

Opponent seem to be trying to incomunicate a bit our blackwood (if he has the good info), but relying on your opponent isn´t a nice idea often.
-> At the moment of 4NT bid, was not likely opps to do it.

Moreover, our hand is kinda MINIMUM, with less than these shouldn´t we bid 2NT (universal agreement) instead of 2♦?
->Depend of style. Old way 2NT is 2 way - weak or strong. Modern way is continuous ranges - near opening hand and more and overcall in better suit with weaker. Hand in example worth opening: 2♦ old way, 2NT modern way.

So I´ll double (weaker than pass), I don´t like to make a forcing pass. Hopefully partner won´t take it as D0P1 because that is a agreement we didn´t make.
-> You can't make a slam despite strength, if you give first 2 ♠, so dbl deny control ♠.

Hope to be helpful, Misho

[Trpltrbl]

I play 3♥ as either my own good suit, or ♥/♦ hand.
Pd is short, singeton or void in♠. My hand is great in offense. Give my pd 2 Kings in minor suits and singleton ♠ and I am making slam. Opps are bidding on ♠ and shape. Not sure if 4NT is Ace asking, more like a shape asking bid I think. I will bid 6♣.
Think this is more common sense then system talk. If people actually have this on their CC, they probably should check in for Lobotomy

Mike

[Fluffy]

mishovnbg, on May 11 2004, 10:06 AM, said:

Maybe he lacks of ♠ control?, is that possible?, I doubt it, but looks like the only reason, unless 4NT is meant to be with ♦ fit and 4♠with ♣.
->With ♦ fit he have 4♦ bid.

Hey Misho!

it may seem kinda obvious from our point of view that 4♦ should be forcing, but I doubt a bit of that to be that easy from his side, this is not a bid where it is clear who is attacking and who is defending and he may be afraid we just take it as suit preference with 4-6-2-1 (from his point of view!) or something like.

[luis]

RKCB in clubs, what else?

[mishovnbg]

Fluffy, on May 11 2004, 05:54 PM, said:

mishovnbg, on May 11 2004, 10:06 AM, said:

Maybe he lacks of ♠ control?, is that possible?, I doubt it, but looks like the only reason, unless 4NT is meant to be with ♦ fit and 4♠with ♣.
->With ♦ fit he have 4♦ bid.

Hey Misho!

it may seem kinda obvious from our point of view that 4♦ should be forcing, but I doubt a bit of that to be that easy from his side, this is not a bid where it is clear who is attacking and who is defending and he may be afraid we just take it as suit preference with 4-6-2-1 (from his point of view!) or something like.

Hi Gonzalo!
If your p bid new suit at 3 level and later bid support below game, esp as free bid and it is still NF - change methods or partner, I think it is obvious at least for most of good players...
Misho