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#1 User is offline   hrothgar 

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Posted 2009-February-22, 19:34

IMPS

White versus Red

♠ KQTxx
♥ JT85
♦ Qxx
♣ x

Auction starts

1♦ - (2♣) - X - (3♣)
3♦ - (P) - ???

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Posted 2009-February-22, 19:57

pass
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
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Posted 2009-February-22, 19:58

I pass, partner would double if he had a good hand.
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Posted 2009-February-22, 20:00

Pass. Partner had a X available, and I really don't see where we are going here? What would we be trying to accomplish by bidding here? After all, partner did limit his hand.
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Posted 2009-February-22, 22:06

mtvesuvius, on Feb 22 2009, 09:00 PM, said:

Pass. Partner had a X available, and I really don't see where we are going here? What would we be trying to accomplish by bidding here? After all, partner did limit his hand.

Partner has X available, but he is the one with length in clubs. If he doubled here, he risks his partner bidding 3M when he doesn't have Diamond tolerance. If responder had 5-5-2-1 he'd somewhat stuck, not anxious to defend 3♣, but not sure if bidding 3♦ on a worthless doubleton is better.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 00:25

3½♦
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Posted 2009-February-23, 01:04

I would bid 4♦.

Saying that partner can double here is not meaningful, double does not show a good hand with diamonds. You will usually just bid 3M over this, which bypasses 3♦. Consequently it is standard for 3♦ here to show a good hand, or at least good playing strength, for diamonds. You just have to pass with minimum hands with 6♦, but that is really not so bad anyway.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 01:19

Just how bad is 3S?

You should be ok to get to 4D at least and this gives you a shot at the Major game without overstating your strength, and your hand has been steadily improved by the bidding (shortage in their suit, real D with playing strength opposite). I know we are not vul, but there is still a bonus for game bids!!

I hate people who bid this way with 5+5+Majors - but realise that that is a possible interpretation for some.

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Posted 2009-February-23, 02:15

Impact, on Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM, said:

Just how bad is 3S?

I think this should show 6 spades, and so partner is definitely going to raise us with 2 spades and will sometimes raise us with a singleton. I think 5♦ will usually be a better contract in the first scenario and will almost always be better in the second scenario.

If partner bids 4M after 4♦ it is a choice of games with 3 cards in the major, so we will still get to most of our 5-3 spade fits if we bid 4♦.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 03:58

My partner had no double avaiable, because that had shown both majors- responsive- so his only way to show a good hand with diamonds and with no real club stopper was to bid 3 ♦ now.

We do not play NFBs (at least it was not posted), so I can bid 3 Spade now, showing 5 spades, hoping that this will lead to 3 NT 4 Spades or 5 Diamond.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 04:32

I agree with Fred. I like 3S now. Partner knows we on't have 6 S because we surely would have bid them on the round before.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 05:10

The_Hog, on Feb 23 2009, 10:32 AM, said:

I agree with Fred. I like 3S now. Partner knows we on't have 6 S because we surely would have bid them on the round before.

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Posted 2009-February-23, 05:20

Pass, but if I were in desperate need of imp's I'd bid 4♦.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2009-February-23, 06:08

3S.

I did throw a dice, it showed, we play game, so we
either play 4S or 5C.

I cant bid 4D because this would be a move toward
slam.

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Posted 2009-February-23, 11:12

P_Marlowe, on Feb 23 2009, 07:08 AM, said:

3S.

I did throw a dice, it showed, we play game, so we
either play 4S or 5C.

I cant bid 4D because this would be a move toward
slam.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Does this make any sense or it is just me?

I'm a 3♠ bidder; I already promised both majors, and now I'm sugesting a valid strain for game, which may well be the winner. I think ♦ tolerance is implied as I could easily pass 3♦
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Posted 2009-February-23, 11:24

fachiru, on Feb 23 2009, 12:12 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Feb 23 2009, 07:08 AM, said:

3S.

I did throw a dice, it showed, we play game, so we
either play 4S or 5C.

I cant bid 4D because this would be a move toward
slam.

With kind regards
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Does this make any sense or it is just me?

I'm a 3♠ bidder; I already promised both majors, and now I'm sugesting a valid strain for game, which may well be the winner. I think ♦ tolerance is implied as I could easily pass 3♦

Not sure, in which direction the comment goes.

For me it is either pass, or driving towards game.
I think it is close, and depending on my mood, my
decision may be different, if you would ask me
tommorow.

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Posted 2009-February-23, 11:32

3♠ bidders really puzzle me.

By doubling and then bidding 3 spades we are showing one of these 2:

-Weak hand with long spades, not strong enough to bid 2♠ before.

-Opening values with 5+ spades (Negative free bid).

None of these 2 types of hand is close to ours
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Posted 2009-February-23, 11:41

How can I not raise here? I am (really) short in clubs and not short in diamonds. Partner doesn't really know any of this.
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Posted 2009-February-23, 13:16

Seems like a simple pass to me
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Posted 2009-February-23, 13:26

Pass.

Most partners deserve a nice dummy once in a while, and partner may have already guessed our minor shape by looking at his own club length.
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