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Stripe-Tailed Ape

Poll: Have you ever INTENTIONALLY made a Stripe-Tailed Ape double? (45 member(s) have cast votes)

Have you ever INTENTIONALLY made a Stripe-Tailed Ape double?

  1. Yes (10 votes [22.22%])

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  2. No (30 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  3. I tried to but it was wrong (5 votes [11.11%])

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#1 User is offline   awm 

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Posted 2009-February-22, 00:52

Stripe-Tail Ape double is when you double opponents in a making contract (usually at the five level) to prevent them from bidding a making slam. This is an occasional topic of bridge stories, and also happens sometimes by accident. Have you ever made one of these doubles on purpose?
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Posted 2009-February-22, 01:02

I have done this fairly frequently, especially if prepared to sac in a higher-ranking suit. For instance, I have had occasion to double a 5♥ response to RKCB, the opponents holding hearts, when I was otherwise prepared to bid 5♠.

The other example, albeit technically just F-ing around, is the striped-tail-ape-and/or-check-whether-the-blues-discussed-ROPI double of 4NT.
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Posted 2009-February-22, 03:11

I've only done this once. On the last board of the club championship in the club I played at the time (1983). We were playing one of the stronger pairs in the club. I had a near yarborough hand and early on was pretty sure they could make 6♥. So when RHO replied 5♥ to BW, I doubled, and all passed.

Early on, my partner won a trick, which was ok. Then he won another, and I didn't like that at all - had I doubled them out of a non-making slam? At this point the rest of the tables had finished play and all were kibbing our table. Partner got another trick, so we set the contract. It was a Howell movement, so we soon picked up the traveller, discovering that all other tables had played 6♥..... and made it!

So my double won twice! :)
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Posted 2009-February-22, 03:13

I don't play enough in Matchpoint events. Because of that, on the few occasions that I do play in them I tend to forget the opportunity when it arises. Strictly a technique for use against intermediate opponents, I think.
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Posted 2009-February-22, 09:04

Once: The opponents had agreed ♠ and were in a cuebidding sequence, and I had Jxx xxx Jxxxx xx... finally they bid RKC, and I doubled their 5♠ bid. Partner, not knowing any better, took this as lead directing and led a small ♠. Ironically any other lead gives declarer a trick and several tables made 7... They made 6 against us, -1050 is rarely a top :).
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Posted 2009-February-22, 15:24

Have had several unintentional versions. One worked out fabulously well when I doubled a 0-3 RKC response (happened to be their trump suit too) causing a mixup and a missed grand.

Have made one purposeful STA.
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Posted 2009-February-24, 19:11

the striped tailed ape X is almost as worthless as the SOS XX. Big downside, almost no upside.

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Posted 2009-February-24, 19:19

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

the striped tailed ape X is almost as worthless as the SOS XX. Big downside, almost no upside.

Bill

What?! Surely you must be joking about SOS XX.
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Posted 2009-February-24, 19:26

kfay, on Feb 24 2009, 07:19 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

the striped tailed ape X is almost as worthless as the SOS XX. Big downside, almost no upside.

Bill

What?! Surely you must be joking about SOS XX.

No kidding :rolleyes:
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Posted 2009-February-24, 19:27

kfay, on Feb 24 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

the striped tailed ape X is almost as worthless as the SOS XX. Big downside, almost no upside.

Bill

What?! Surely you must be joking about SOS XX.

guess its a different thread, but no i am not joking.
What does XX mean? Pd i think we cant make the contract, lets try for something else (i have no good ideas) at a higher level....

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Posted 2009-February-24, 19:36

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:27 PM, said:

kfay, on Feb 24 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

the striped tailed ape X is almost as worthless as the SOS XX. Big downside, almost no upside.

Bill

What?! Surely you must be joking about SOS XX.

guess its a different thread, but no i am not joking.
What does XX mean? Pd i think we cant make the contract, lets try for something else (i have no good ideas) at a higher level....

Yes exactly. Seems very convenient to me. If you think it has no upside then you have been living on a different planet than I have.
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Posted 2009-February-24, 19:39

jdonn, on Feb 24 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:27 PM, said:

kfay, on Feb 24 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

the striped tailed ape X is almost as worthless as the SOS XX. Big downside, almost no upside.

Bill

What?! Surely you must be joking about SOS XX.

guess its a different thread, but no i am not joking.
What does XX mean? Pd i think we cant make the contract, lets try for something else (i have no good ideas) at a higher level....

Yes exactly. Seems very convenient to me. If you think it has no upside then you have been living on a different planet than I have.

I live on Neptune (See my profile on BBF) and we neptunians find the SOS XX extremely valuable! Maybe the martians have something against it? :rolleyes:
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Posted 2009-February-24, 19:48

mtvesuvius, on Feb 24 2009, 08:39 PM, said:

jdonn, on Feb 24 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:27 PM, said:

kfay, on Feb 24 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

the striped tailed ape X is almost as worthless as the SOS XX. Big downside, almost no upside.

Bill

What?! Surely you must be joking about SOS XX.

guess its a different thread, but no i am not joking.
What does XX mean? Pd i think we cant make the contract, lets try for something else (i have no good ideas) at a higher level....

Yes exactly. Seems very convenient to me. If you think it has no upside then you have been living on a different planet than I have.

I live on Neptune (See my profile on BBF) and we neptunians find the SOS XX extremely valuable! Maybe the martians have something against it? :rolleyes:

i guess the sos XX is a sacred cow, just trying to stimulate a little thought...
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Posted 2009-February-24, 19:54

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:48 PM, said:

mtvesuvius, on Feb 24 2009, 08:39 PM, said:

jdonn, on Feb 24 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:27 PM, said:

kfay, on Feb 24 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

the striped tailed ape X is almost as worthless as the SOS XX. Big downside, almost no upside.

Bill

What?! Surely you must be joking about SOS XX.

guess its a different thread, but no i am not joking.
What does XX mean? Pd i think we cant make the contract, lets try for something else (i have no good ideas) at a higher level....

Yes exactly. Seems very convenient to me. If you think it has no upside then you have been living on a different planet than I have.

I live on Neptune (See my profile on BBF) and we neptunians find the SOS XX extremely valuable! Maybe the martians have something against it? :rolleyes:

i guess the sos XX is a sacred cow, just trying to stimulate a little thought...
Bill

It's not "sacred" but there is nothing to replace it and it's such a valuable tool. I don't know about your partners, but mine open very very light on their weak 2's meaning that an SOS XX comes up quite often... It has taken us from -1100 to -100 or even sometimes making! I'm not sure what you are suggesting in place of it... In fact there was just recently a thread about whether buisness XXs are valuable where Frances posted a beautiful explanation of why they are not.
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Posted 2009-February-24, 20:02

mtvesuvius, on Feb 24 2009, 08:54 PM, said:

It's not "sacred" but there is nothing to replace it and it's such a valuable tool. I don't know about your partners, but mine open very very light on their weak 2's meaning that an SOS XX comes up quite often... It has taken us from -1100 to -100 or even sometimes making! I'm not sure what you are suggesting in place of it... In fact there was just recently a thread about whether buisness XXs are valuable where Frances posted a beautiful explanation of why they are not.

ok, now that is some worthwhile commentary, thanks
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Posted 2009-February-24, 20:36

mtvesuvius, on Feb 24 2009, 08:54 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:48 PM, said:

mtvesuvius, on Feb 24 2009, 08:39 PM, said:

jdonn, on Feb 24 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:27 PM, said:

kfay, on Feb 24 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

the striped tailed ape X is almost as worthless as the SOS XX. Big downside, almost no upside.

Bill

What?! Surely you must be joking about SOS XX.

guess its a different thread, but no i am not joking.
What does XX mean? Pd i think we cant make the contract, lets try for something else (i have no good ideas) at a higher level....

Yes exactly. Seems very convenient to me. If you think it has no upside then you have been living on a different planet than I have.

I live on Neptune (See my profile on BBF) and we neptunians find the SOS XX extremely valuable! Maybe the martians have something against it? :rolleyes:

i guess the sos XX is a sacred cow, just trying to stimulate a little thought...
Bill

It's not "sacred" but there is nothing to replace it and it's such a valuable tool. I don't know about your partners, but mine open very very light on their weak 2's meaning that an SOS XX comes up quite often... It has taken us from -1100 to -100 or even sometimes making! I'm not sure what you are suggesting in place of it... In fact there was just recently a thread about whether buisness XXs are valuable where Frances posted a beautiful explanation of why they are not.

hey i looked up the thread, very good btw. BUT... she talks about when the business xx is worthwhile, nothing about the sos xx.

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Posted 2009-February-24, 20:54

bill1157, on Feb 25 2009, 08:48 AM, said:

mtvesuvius, on Feb 24 2009, 08:39 PM, said:

jdonn, on Feb 24 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:27 PM, said:

kfay, on Feb 24 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

the striped tailed ape X is almost as worthless as the SOS XX. Big downside, almost no upside.

Bill

What?! Surely you must be joking about SOS XX.

guess its a different thread, but no i am not joking.
What does XX mean? Pd i think we cant make the contract, lets try for something else (i have no good ideas) at a higher level....

Yes exactly. Seems very convenient to me. If you think it has no upside then you have been living on a different planet than I have.

I live on Neptune (See my profile on BBF) and we neptunians find the SOS XX extremely valuable! Maybe the martians have something against it? :rolleyes:

i guess the sos XX is a sacred cow, just trying to stimulate a little thought...
Bill

Not a sacred cow Bill, but IO also disagree with you. I have used an sos xx many times to escape a crappy fit and find a far better one.
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Posted 2009-February-24, 23:16

what about some examples of where the sos XX worked?

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Posted 2009-February-25, 07:46

bill1157, on Feb 25 2009, 12:16 AM, said:

what about some examples of where the sos XX worked?

Bill

http://forums.bridge...showtopic=30388
http://forums.bridge...topic=24678&hl=

and others that I didn't go far back enough to get.
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Posted 2009-February-25, 09:24

bill1157, on Feb 24 2009, 09:11 PM, said:

the striped tailed ape X is almost as worthless as the SOS XX. Big downside, almost no upside.

Bill

I think I've unintentionally stripe-tailed ape once. I can think of at least a dozen times where an SOS redoubled worked well.
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