[Phil]

Scoring: IMP

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You play in 3N after West overcalls 1♠ along the way. Would be interested in what you think the best line is after the ♠6, 4, 10, Q.

[Echognome]

I kind of like spade A, then diamond to the 9. If LHO wins, he may very well try to clear spades.

[jdaming]

Even if I cash out I am only getting 2♠ 2♦ and possibly 4♣ on a perfect break. So I need another ♦. So I guess I am going to finesse LHO for the Q right off the bat (after dropping my A♦). Seems to simple...

[Fluffy]

psycology is always hard to account, I am tempted to cross in clubs for a diamond finese, this can be right for vacant spaces (not when LHO has stiff ♦Q lol). And I beleive our best legitimate chance.

But won't LHO feel VERY suspicious after we "almost" showed ♣K?

I would need full bidding to try to get inside my opponent's minds.

[Echognome]

Yeah. A full auction might help in the total psychological aspect. I just think that hopping ♠A right away and taking my finesse now makes it the toughest (as EW have had the least chance to exhange information).

[Fluffy]

Echognome, on Feb 20 2009, 01:32 AM, said:

Yeah. A full auction might help in the total psychological aspect. I just think that hopping ♠A right away and taking my finesse now makes it the toughest (as EW have had the least chance to exhange information).

I agree with this, but it gives up the chance of clubs 3-3 when diamonds are 4-1, probably so slim that it is not worth even looking.

[Phil]

Echognome, on Feb 19 2009, 08:32 PM, said:

Yeah. A full auction might help in the total psychological aspect. I just think that hopping ♠A right away and taking my finesse now makes it the toughest (as EW have had the least chance to exhange information).

1♦ - pass - 1♥ - 1♠;
2♦ - pass - 2N - pass
3N - AP

[655321]

Running the ♦9 at trick 2 might well get a spade continuation if RHO wins the ♦Q.

[Echognome]

Fluffy, on Feb 19 2009, 05:34 PM, said:

Echognome, on Feb 20 2009, 01:32 AM, said:

Yeah.  A full auction might help in the total psychological aspect.  I just think that hopping ♠A right away and taking my finesse now makes it the toughest (as EW have had the least chance to exhange information).

I agree with this, but it gives up the chance of clubs 3-3 when diamonds are 4-1, probably so slim that it is not worth even looking.

It's pretty interesting. Suppose the ♦9 holds and on the ♦A, West pitches. Should we now lead our ♠? Will West take it or duck? Will it be clear to him what to switch to if he does take it?

Very good psychological hand.

Obviously of our ♦9 loses to West, then we need to rely on him not finding the heart switch either before or after cashing the spade.

[Echognome]

655321, on Feb 19 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

Running the ♦9 at trick 2 might well get a spade continuation if RHO wins the ♦Q.

I like that one too, given we've hidden the A. The difference is that it's a bit easier to lead hearts through us (psychologically) than into us, because of the bidding.

[Fluffy]

With this bidding I like runnign the ♦9. Because LHO doesn't know if we have 4 spades!, RHO knows he has 3 of them, and will like them (If spades are 6-2, then LHO is favourite for having opening values, hence ♦Q)

[the hog]

655321, on Feb 20 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Running the ♦9 at trick 2 might well get a spade continuation if RHO wins the ♦Q.

I don't see how this gains at all. Once the K of S wins trick 3, is it so hard to switch to a H? I guess it depends on some extent on whom you are playing against.
I am playing A of S, D to the A and the 9 to the J.

[655321]

The_Hog, on Feb 19 2009, 09:16 PM, said:

655321, on Feb 20 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Running the ♦9 at trick 2 might well get a spade continuation if RHO wins the ♦Q.

I don't see how this gains at all. Once the K of S wins trick 3, is it so hard to switch to a H? I guess it depends on some extent on whom you are playing against.
I am playing A of S, D to the A and the 9 to the J.

LOL

[jdonn]

I guess it seems obvious when given as a problem but I like win spade queen and run 9 of diamonds. I think it would be VERY hard for RHO to switch to a heart away from an honor or two, through our bid suit, into Jx in dummy. Especially when a spade to kill the ace looks like such an obvious alternative.

I don't like winning ace of spades to play diamonds the other way. I think it may actually be easier for LHO to play hearts than RHO, plus winning the ace of spades just like that would seem very suspicious to a player who holds the king and expects us to have Q or QJ.

[the hog]

655321, on Feb 20 2009, 09:18 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Feb 19 2009, 09:16 PM, said:

655321, on Feb 20 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Running the ♦9 at trick 2 might well get a spade continuation if RHO wins the ♦Q.

I don't see how this gains at all. Once the K of S wins trick 3, is it so hard to switch to a H? I guess it depends on some extent on whom you are playing against.
I am playing A of S, D to the A and the 9 to the J.

LOL

Did you know that you are a rude, obnoxious A******e?
You also appear to have a huge and totally unjustified ego.

[Phil]

I watched this a few days ago and I feel pretty strongly the right play is to run the ♦9.

If we cross to dummy in clubs and play a diamond to the 9, West would have to be asleep not to find the heart switch. Clearly we have the ♦A, so five diamonds, three clubs and one spade are certain.

Winning the ♠A at T1 is interesting, but I don't think it camouflages a lot about our hand. Clearly we have the ♠Q and there doesn't seem any valid reason not to float the spade to hand, as there can be no avoidance in the heart suit (say if declarer has ♥Kxxx) since the ♥J is in dummy.

We would bid and play the hand exactly like this if we held: ♠Qxx ♥AQxx ♦9x ♣Kxx.

[Fluffy]

The_Hog, on Feb 20 2009, 02:49 AM, said:

655321, on Feb 20 2009, 09:18 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Feb 19 2009, 09:16 PM, said:

655321, on Feb 20 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Running the ♦9 at trick 2 might well get a spade continuation if RHO wins the ♦Q.

I don't see how this gains at all. Once the K of S wins trick 3, is it so hard to switch to a H? I guess it depends on some extent on whom you are playing against.
I am playing A of S, D to the A and the 9 to the J.

LOL

Did you know that you are a rude, obnoxious A******e?
You also appear to have a huge and totally unjustified ego.

I hate the LOLs from these days as much as you Ron, people see JLOL laughing at his friends, and think that this is a correct behaviour for anyone.

But anyway, you actually missunderstood the original 655321's line I think.

[orlam]

The_Hog, on Feb 19 2009, 09:49 PM, said:

655321, on Feb 20 2009, 09:18 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Feb 19 2009, 09:16 PM, said:

655321, on Feb 20 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

Running the ♦9 at trick 2 might well get a spade continuation if RHO wins the ♦Q.

I don't see how this gains at all. Once the K of S wins trick 3, is it so hard to switch to a H? I guess it depends on some extent on whom you are playing against.
I am playing A of S, D to the A and the 9 to the J.

LOL

Did you know that you are a rude, obnoxious A******e?
You also appear to have a huge and totally unjustified ego.

Hi The_Hog,

maybe this kind of attack on someone's ego would be more credible if you had actually read your own post again before doing so, and corrected it. This way it looks like your ego prevented you from actually noticing that you had made a mistake and made a comment on 655321's line that doesn't make sense at all. (If 655321 loses trick 2, then he still has singleton ♠A in dummy, so ♠K cannot win the third trick.)

Thanks for your opinions though, I am always learning.
Orlam

[maggieb]

I would also win the queen and run the diamond 9, I think only a very strong RHO would know not to continue spades.

Please don't yell at me now!!