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What is the classic meaning of 1S--4H if playing 2/1 ?
Standard meaning of 1S--4H ? didnt have time to talk about it.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 00:54
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
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For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2009-February-18, 00:57
Splinter. I prefer to play it as to play, though.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 01:06
All I've learned is do not try to figure it out by looking at your hand. I have seen more than a couple 1-1 and 1-2 fits this way.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 01:52
splinter. The classic meaning of 1S-3H is a strong jump shift, so 1S-4H is the first available splinter. I'm not fond of this method and I don't think many people play it, but I think that's the right answer to your question.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 01:58
4♥ hasn't been played as natural for a long time.
Another little chestnut is 1N - 2♥ - 2♠ - 4♥.
Another little chestnut is 1N - 2♥ - 2♠ - 4♥.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 02:06
How classic do you want it? Strong jump shifts are EXTREMELY classic. It's rather common to play 3♥ as splinter and 4♥ as NATURAL.
Still with a pickup I'd think "Splinter". With the natural hand he should bid 1NT followed by 4♥.
Still with a pickup I'd think "Splinter". With the natural hand he should bid 1NT followed by 4♥.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 02:31
I've played it as natural for decades.
Some more recent partnerships have it as splinter ... except in competition.
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Some more recent partnerships have it as splinter ... except in competition.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 03:22
Splinter. To be consistent with 1M 4m at any rate.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 04:56
jdonn, on Feb 18 2009, 08:06 AM, said:
All I've learned is do not try to figure it out by looking at your hand. I have seen more than a couple 1-1 and 1-2 fits this way.
Hell yeah! Our teammates played in the 1-1 fit as opposed to a 5-4 in a recent national event on this auction and played like stars to only go down three. Luckily on our table they (over?)bid to a spade slam off two, so a lack of discussion only cost 2 IMPs.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 06:19
I would normally assume natural.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 07:37
At the next forum indy I can see that we'll all be avoiding this auction!
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Posted 2009-February-18, 08:39
Gerber 
No seriously, this is a splinter.
No seriously, this is a splinter.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 08:52
I would assume a Splinter, but if you have a ♥ splinter and it's undiscussed...
Don't bid 4♥!... unless you want to test your 2-1 fit declaring skills...
Don't bid 4♥!... unless you want to test your 2-1 fit declaring skills...
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Posted 2009-February-18, 12:29
Last time it happened I had a heart void and had a very long thought about it.
With any serious partner I make the agreement that 1S 3H is a splinter and 1S 4H is to play.
With any serious partner I make the agreement that 1S 3H is a splinter and 1S 4H is to play.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 13:01
I cannot imagine not discussing this. So, whatever we agreed.
That said, a funny story. When I taught my wife splinters, I forgot to be specific about 1♥-P-3♠. EVerything else at the 4-level was a splinter and everything at the 3-level weak (actually, intermediate, like a strong weak 2). This anomaly was not discussed.
So, 1♥-P-3♠ started a sequence where we ended up in 6♥. I had AKQxxx in hearts, opposite her stiff heart, but the suit split 3-3. I had spade support with her, and the spades split 2-2, missing the Ace. In one of the side suits, one opponent had a stiff. Thus, 6♥ made easily. However, against 6♠, the defense ended up scoring a ruff. Top board, well-bid.
That said, a funny story. When I taught my wife splinters, I forgot to be specific about 1♥-P-3♠. EVerything else at the 4-level was a splinter and everything at the 3-level weak (actually, intermediate, like a strong weak 2). This anomaly was not discussed.
So, 1♥-P-3♠ started a sequence where we ended up in 6♥. I had AKQxxx in hearts, opposite her stiff heart, but the suit split 3-3. I had spade support with her, and the spades split 2-2, missing the Ace. In one of the side suits, one opponent had a stiff. Thus, 6♥ made easily. However, against 6♠, the defense ended up scoring a ruff. Top board, well-bid.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 13:52
Standard here is void. But some play it as natural.
Actually, I've got a good story here. The swedish laws guru, Hallén once played a tournament with a new partner. And of course this auction came up. Without any agreement. This was a long time ago, so natural was pretty normal. Hallén looked at his own hand to find a clue to what partner held. Looking at a void, he thought it was odds on that his partner had hearts, and passed. Becoming dummy in the 0-0 fit!
Actually, I've got a good story here. The swedish laws guru, Hallén once played a tournament with a new partner. And of course this auction came up. Without any agreement. This was a long time ago, so natural was pretty normal. Hallén looked at his own hand to find a clue to what partner held. Looking at a void, he thought it was odds on that his partner had hearts, and passed. Becoming dummy in the 0-0 fit!
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Posted 2009-February-18, 19:00
Ant590, on Feb 18 2009, 10:56 AM, said:
jdonn, on Feb 18 2009, 08:06 AM, said:
All I've learned is do not try to figure it out by looking at your hand. I have seen more than a couple 1-1 and 1-2 fits this way.
Hell yeah! Our teammates played in the 1-1 fit as opposed to a 5-4 in a recent national event on this auction and played like stars to only go down three. Luckily on our table they (over?)bid to a spade slam off two, so a lack of discussion only cost 2 IMPs.
Dude, I went 5 off if you are talking about National Swiss.
And yes, partner tried to deduce that it wasn't a splinter cos he had a singleton as well
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Posted 2009-February-18, 21:49
Splintering 1♠-4♥ takes up SO much room.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 22:05
kenrexford, on Feb 18 2009, 12:01 PM, said:
I cannot imagine not discussing this. So, whatever we agreed.
That said, a funny story. When I taught my wife splinters, I forgot to be specific about 1♥-P-3♠. EVerything else at the 4-level was a splinter and everything at the 3-level weak (actually, intermediate, like a strong weak 2). This anomaly was not discussed.
That said, a funny story. When I taught my wife splinters, I forgot to be specific about 1♥-P-3♠. EVerything else at the 4-level was a splinter and everything at the 3-level weak (actually, intermediate, like a strong weak 2). This anomaly was not discussed.
Hi Ken,
I learned all splinters except 1♥:3♠ at the 4level, now Im learning how important it is to be specific.
How about 1♣:1♥ 3♦.
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