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Those pesky opponents... Three level bids over 1NT

#1 User is offline   TylerE 

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Posted 2009-February-18, 15:09

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(p) - 1NT (15-17) - (3♦) - ?


X would be penalty. Opponents are unknown, E seems to be a bit frisky with preempts.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 15:12

4♦ shows both majors, 3♠ shows five, and double is penalty since you state that is your agreement. So what option but 4♣ is there? I guess 3NT might technically qualify as an option, but not a very good one if you ask me.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 15:17

Abstain :). X should be takeout. Given this agreement, I might just punt 5♣... Figuring to lose 1♣ and 1♦. 3♠ is also a reasonable alternative, but playing 4-3 fits with 5-1 splits is no fun. "Penalty" double could easily be right also. 3NT is often also right... To quote KR:

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I'll try X, after all it is IMPs and we look to be setting 3♦ 1 or 2 tricks.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 17:20

3♠ for me. If pard supports that, it should have some play.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 17:33

whereagles, on Feb 18 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

3♠ for me. If pard supports that, it should have some play.

Even on the marked 5-1 split?
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Posted 2009-February-18, 17:53

Try 4C Gerber and 6C if 2xA. Guess 6C on 1xA.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 18:02

dake50, on Feb 18 2009, 06:53 PM, said:

Try 4C Gerber

Sigh.....
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Posted 2009-February-18, 20:24

WE can naturally bid our hand iwth 4♣ then 4♠.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 21:43

Over 4♣ parter bids 5♣. Back to you.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 21:55

TylerE, on Feb 18 2009, 09:43 PM, said:

Over 4♣ parter bids 5♣. Back to you.

Pass.. endplayed..but expecting to make and happy to have landed on my feet here. PD could have bid something else with a max and slam interest so I don't expect slam to be more than 50/50.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 22:00

jdonn, on Feb 18 2009, 06:02 PM, said:

dake50, on Feb 18 2009, 06:53 PM, said:

Try 4C Gerber

Sigh.....

:P B) ROFL..Gerber is so hated here, but honestly in this sequence it has to be HATED. 4♣ is totally needed as natural !!

Rule #1 although I should post this in B/I. If 4♣ can be natural it is not Gerber.

Rule #2 for most of us. If 4♣ can be some sort of splinter it is not Gerber.

I expect the rest of you to add a couple more rules for Gerber.
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Posted 2009-February-18, 23:45

neilkaz, on Feb 18 2009, 11:00 PM, said:

Rule #1 although I should post this in B/I. If 4♣ can be natural it is not Gerber.

Rule #2 for most of us. If 4♣ can be some sort of splinter it is not Gerber.

I expect the rest of you to add a couple more rules for Gerber.

Gerber is a JUMP over 1NT or 2NT.
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Posted 2009-February-19, 00:33

Easy 4♦.

When partner bid 4♥ you bid 4♠, and have shown 4♠'s and longer clubs.

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Posted 2009-February-19, 00:51

OleBerg, on Feb 19 2009, 01:33 AM, said:

Easy 4♦.

When partner bid 4♥ you bid 4♠, and have shown 4♠'s and longer clubs.

Or since 4♦ shows the majors you have shown 6-5 in the majors with a slam invitation?
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Posted 2009-February-19, 00:54

isn't 4♣ a fit-showing non-jump?
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Posted 2009-February-19, 02:50

jdonn, on Feb 19 2009, 07:51 AM, said:

Or since 4♦ shows the majors you have shown 6-5 in the majors with a slam invitation?

How do you know that 4♦ promises the majors? "X would be penalty" doesn't mean "double is penalty but everything else is the same as it would be when playing takeout doubles".

At some point in the past I probably played penalty doubles here, but I can't remember how I used to bid this sort of hand. I suspect that it didn't come up much, because 3♦ showed a rather better hand than it does now.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-February-19, 04:53

jdonn, on Feb 19 2009, 08:51 AM, said:

OleBerg, on Feb 19 2009, 01:33 AM, said:

Easy 4♦.

When partner bid 4♥ you bid 4♠, and have shown 4♠'s and longer clubs.

Or since 4♦ shows the majors you have shown 6-5 in the majors with a slam invitation?

No.

A four card major and longer clubs is much more frequent. And much more difficult to handle.
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Posted 2009-February-19, 05:47

mtvesuvius, on Feb 18 2009, 11:33 PM, said:

whereagles, on Feb 18 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

3♠ for me. If pard supports that, it should have some play.

Even on the marked 5-1 split?

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Posted 2009-February-19, 06:03

I think that a natural 4 ♣ is the clostest describtion of this hand.

BTW, is there a consenus, what partners next bid shows?

Is 4 Diamond a strong club raise? Or is this COG, denying a good fit?
Are 4 Heart and 4 Spade natural?
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Posted 2009-February-19, 07:10

Gerber rule: If 5C would show game best-guess, 4C ain't that! So IS Gerber.
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