[pirate22]

Scoring: IMP

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apols spades- VOID- hts- diamds- club

Partner opens V 1n/t-15-17 nothing funny such as, it may contain a x---EAST NOW BIDS 2 HTS
No need to click the bid-we had been playing against opps for some time and we both know,its natural---if i x its for penalties or a transfer???-if i bid 2 spades -i have at least 5,unknown point count-if i bid 3diamonds--??what does that convey to pard,i was really stuck and partnership had not agreed that x was a transfer in this situation although if no opp bidding 2hts by me would be a transer

any solutions as to what to bid regards pirate

[matmat]

I think most players around here play X as negative here, which does describe this hand. Some may choose a different call (3♦) if they don't like doubling on a void.

[655321]

Agree with jdonn

Even if you have agreed double is takeout, I strongly dislike it with a void.

[pirate22]

just thought of something switch my spades to hts --what does one bid now x???)

[rogerclee]

matmat, on Feb 15 2009, 09:11 PM, said:

I think most players around here play X as negative here, which does describe this hand.

LOL

[the hog]

Why LOL? We know he means t/out but there is no need to be snide about it.
Double with this hand and its void is not my choice, but it is not unreasonable.
I would bid 3D.

[Phil]

Negative doubles for me are limited to invitational values or less, so 3♥.

[helene_t]

X = either take-out, optional or penalties, depending on agreement. If you do not play lebensohl you should (IMHO) play it as take-out since too many hands otherwise become unbiddable. Some club players play X as transfer but almost no tournament players do so.

2♠ = weak with at least five spades. Opener will almost always pass.

2NT = natural invite, or the lebensohl convention.

3♦ = forcing, 5+ diamonds (unless you have specifically agreed to play Rubensohl)

3♥ = Stayman. If you play lebensohl you will have agreed whether you have a heart stopper or not when you bid this.

So with this hand, you either bid 3♦ or 3♥. I think 3♦ is better since if you bid 3♥, you won't know what to do when opener bids 3NT. X is a bad idea (IMHO) even if agreed as take-out since opener will pass if he has four hearts and you don't want that.

[hatchett]

I play X as a more balanced hand, and 3♥ as a three suiter 0/1 ♥s so that would be perfect here.

[matmat]

The_Hog, on Feb 16 2009, 04:47 AM, said:

Why LOL? We know he means t/out but there is no need to be snide about it.
Double with this hand and its void is not my choice, but it is not unreasonable.
I would bid 3D.

LOL b/c he's right and I know better.

this is what happens when you forget how to play. :/

3♥, upon further review.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

A could suggestion is to play X as t/o, I dont limit
the strength to inv, but ...

If you dont want to make a t/o given the void, than you
can bid 3D, which is natural and gameforcing or 3H
which would be Stayman, denying a stopper in hearts,
search for Lebensohl.

Without any agreements, your best bet is 3D, it wont
get passed often, and it wont be interpreted as transfer.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[pirate22]

to give you all the answer i bid 3n/t-disaster the 2ht bidder had 6 hts AKQJ10x his pard had 4 and pard xxx partners hand was 3-3-3-4- with full 16 points,
as follows

AKx xxx KJx AJ10x-- spades do not break 5 diamonds on just, and 2 way finnesse in clubs