Winstonm, on Feb 13 2009, 01:51 PM, said:
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Now who is stating opinion as fact?
This is getting un nowhere. I feel as though I am talking to Jimmy about morality and every word is scutinized and savaged. When the man said "development of nuclear weapons" and then corrected himself to "pursuit of weapons" to argue that the missing word "nuclear" was not the topic is as disingenuous as any literal wool-pulling ever done in the WC.
Then you won't like this, but I would go even farther in the direction you believe is disingenuous. I think he made a specific point to remove the word 'nuclear' (it would have been easy to simply change development to capabilities without removing nuclear). So why do you credit him with it whether he says it or not? I note this from the LA Times article I referred to.
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Often overlooked in the NIE, officials said, was that Iran had not stopped its work on other crucial fronts, including missile design and uranium enrichment. Many experts contend that these are more difficult than building a bomb.
So the concern is indeed more widespread than you might think.
Anyway I know how you feel (I have had discussions with Jimmy too you know). It must be frustrating to be called hypocritical and have every word parsed when you are just trying to express general feelings, and anyone might occasionally state something meant as opinion even though they don't say "I think" first. And of course I did that on purpose, because that's exactly what you criticize Obama for, and then do you do it yourself in your criticism! It would be like saying "don't f***ing swear!".
I find it amusing when you say things are "getting nowhere". Um, I was sort of hoping I was out of this thread. And then you not only posted more internet paranoia, you posted it specifically directed toward me! Were you hoping that doing so would get us somewhere (whatever that means)?
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This is what I mean. You ask this:
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Please show me where you have shown Obama claiming to know anyone's intentions
After providing your own answer with this:
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In his news conference this week, President Obama went so far as to describe Iran's "development of a nuclear weapon" before correcting himself to refer to its "pursuit" of weapons capability
President Obama saying Iran's pursuit of (nuclear) weapons clearly shows he believes he knows Iran's intentions.
You are doing it again. What is clear to you is definitely not clear to me. And I'm not saying that to be picky, I don't know why you just jump to the conclusion.
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I view that as a positive rather than a negative. I'm a bit sad you don't feel the same way, although it certainly explains your cynacism.
Truth is, Josh, I am considerably sadder than you I would think. I allowed myself to hope Obama might really bring change. Now I am simply chiding myself for falling for more political BS, repackaged.
I would hardly say you fell for it, you seemed quite sceptical even back then. I would say you might want to give things a little more of a chance. If your only criterion for "change" is either that every individual policy must change, or that you can't find multiple bloggers who don't like Obama, then I could have told you a long time ago you would be disappointed.
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