[H_KARLUK]

Scoring: IMPs

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1NT   P   2♣   D   
2♥     P   3♠   P
4♥     P    ?

*1NT(12-14hcp)

[JLOL]

LOL

[Hanoi5]

Pass.

[dicklont]

Failed when bidding 3♠.
To investigate slam bid 4♣ splinter.

[FrancesHinden]

JLOL, on Feb 5 2009, 10:06 AM, said:

LOL

LOL

[orlam]

FrancesHinden, on Feb 5 2009, 05:26 AM, said:

JLOL, on Feb 5 2009, 10:06 AM, said:

LOL

LOL

What is going on?

[Free]

orlam, on Feb 5 2009, 06:18 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Feb 5 2009, 05:26 AM, said:

JLOL, on Feb 5 2009, 10:06 AM, said:

LOL

LOL

What is going on?

Beginner and intermediate bridge...

[H_KARLUK]

Wah wah! Too much hopeless cases around ?

Bidding box contains cards Pass to 7NT, D, RD, alert, stop, TD. Don't expect to see LOL card. My piece of advice never try to laugh out loud at bridge tables in a running live tournament. No doubt one can't dare to classify skill levels face to face. I guarantee you reach different results apart bridge game. It is similar in a live discussion panel or any conference, meeting.

But this is th internet. It seems from a safe distance some people like to expose their hard feelings. Pity. Stop troll!

Let's see objective things. How about bridge cards? Let's try to perform wise and humble. It would be nice & neat.

REMEMBER : YOU ARE HERE TO TELL YOUR JUDGEMENT ABOUT AUCTION&CARD PLAY. IF POSTED ITEMS CAUSE YOU GET MAD; BETTER TO KEEP YOUR EMOTIONAL PROBLEMS INSIDE. EACH FORUM MEMBER HAS EQUAL RIGHTS. YOU MAY AGREE OR DISAGREE ABOUT OTHER PLAYERS LINES. I DO NOT THINK EVERYBODY MUST THINK SAME ABOUT BRIDGE GAME. POSITIVE & POLITE CRITICISM WITH BRIDGE CARDS AND SAMPLE LAYOUTS ARE ALWAYS WELCOMED. EVERYBODY MUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT TH LANGUAGE. OTHERWISE I SEE THINGS CHILDISH. I STILL CARRY TH HOPE THAT CIVILISATION AND POLITENESS WORDS EXISTS IN ALL DICTIONARIES! REALLY, NO NEED NEGATIVE TRAITS. THIS DOESN'T HELP TO FIX BRIDGE PROBLEMS.

[MFA]

H_KARLUK, on Feb 8 2009, 03:38 AM, said:

Wah wah! Too much hopeless cases around ?

Bidding box contains cards Pass to 7NT, D, RD, alert, stop, TD. Don't expect to see LOL card. My piece of advice never try to laugh out loud at bridge tables in a running live tournament. No doubt one can't dare to classify skill levels face to face. I guarantee you reach different results apart bridge game. It is similar in a live discussion panel or any conference, meeting.

But this is th internet. It seems from a safe distance some people like to expose their hard feelings. Pity. Stop troll!

Let's see objective things. How about bridge cards? Let's try to perform wise and humble. It would be nice & neat.

REMEMBER : YOU ARE HERE TO TELL YOUR JUDGEMENT ABOUT AUCTION&CARD PLAY. IF POSTED ITEMS CAUSE YOU GET MAD; BETTER TO KEEP YOUR EMOTIONAL PROBLEMS INSIDE. EACH FORUM MEMBER HAS EQUAL RIGHTS. YOU MAY AGREE OR DISAGREE ABOUT OTHER PLAYERS LINES. I DO NOT THINK EVERYBODY MUST THINK SAME ABOUT BRIDGE GAME. POSITIVE & POLITE CRITICISM WITH BRIDGE CARDS AND SAMPLE LAYOUTS ARE ALWAYS WELCOMED. EVERYBODY MUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT TH LANGUAGE. OTHERWISE I SEE THINGS CHILDISH. I STILL CARRY TH HOPE THAT CIVILISATION AND POLITENESS WORDS EXISTS IN ALL DICTIONARIES! REALLY, NO NEED NEGATIVE TRAITS. THIS DOESN'T HELP TO FIX BRIDGE PROBLEMS.

But the case here is that your bridge "problem" is grossly inappropriate for this forum. I agree that some of the reactions you recieve are rude, but you can't expect deep answers to non-problems such as this.

1) It's standard to play splinters here. Your post seems completely ignorant of that. When you post 3♠ with no comments to it, people just assume that this is a huge misbid.

2) Asking if we should make a second slam try with this hand is totally absurd, really. For starters, for slam we need to find partner with specifically 2 aces, the ♥Q and the ♠K for his 12-14 NT. How do you like your chances? And when partner has already signed off?

3) Had you asked if it was worth to make a splinter over 2♥ in search of the magic hand opposite, you would probably have recieved some useful answers. But your question, as it is, is just waste of time, sorry to say.

[H_KARLUK]

MFA, on Feb 8 2009, 03:21 PM, said:

But the case here is that your bridge "problem" is grossly inappropriate for this forum. I agree that some of the reactions you recieve are rude, but you can't expect deep answers to non-problems such as this.

1) It's standard to play splinters here. Your post seems completely ignorant of that. When you post 3♠ with no comments to it, people just assume that this is a huge misbid.

2) Asking if we should make a second slam try with this hand is totally absurd, really. For starters, for slam we need to find partner with specifically 2 aces, the ♥Q and the ♠K for his 12-14 NT. How do you like your chances? And when partner has already signed off?

3) Had you asked if it was worth to make a splinter over 2♥ in search of the magic hand opposite, you would probably have recieved some useful answers. But your question, as it is, is just waste of time, sorry to say.

1) Do we focus responder's window? Say a splinter done. Is it 4♣ ? Say NT opener has 4-4-2-3 and 1stly showed lower suit. How come they find 9 cards ♠ fit?
2) Visualization. NT opener's deal : Kx-AQJx-xxx-AJTx. There may be a way to discover it. If anyone tells "too risky" for sure i respect. Is it not proper to ask what is th risk? Come on pls.
3) Waste of time? Oh, do you expect World Grand Masters top ten members regularly posts their ideas on BB Forums?

[MFA]

H_KARLUK, on Feb 8 2009, 10:06 AM, said:

MFA, on Feb 8 2009, 03:21 PM, said:

But the case here is that your bridge "problem" is grossly inappropriate for this forum. I agree that some of the reactions you recieve are rude, but you can't expect deep answers to non-problems such as this.

1) It's standard to play splinters here. Your post seems completely ignorant of that. When you post 3♠ with no comments to it, people just assume that this is a huge misbid.

2) Asking if we should make a second slam try with this hand is totally absurd, really. For starters, for slam we need to find partner with specifically 2 aces, the ♥Q and the ♠K for his 12-14 NT. How do you like your chances? And when partner has already signed off?

3) Had you asked if it was worth to make a splinter over 2♥ in search of the magic hand opposite, you would probably have recieved some useful answers. But your question, as it is, is just waste of time, sorry to say.

1) Do we focus responder's window? Say a splinter done. Is it 4♣ ? Say NT opener has 4-4-2-3 and 1stly showed lower suit. How come they find 9 cards ♠ fit?
2) Visualization. NT opener's deal : Kx-AQJx-xxx-AJTx. There may be a way to discover it. If anyone tells "too risky" for sure i respect.
3) Waste of time? Oh, do you expect World Grand Masters top ten members regularly posts their ideas on BB Forums?

1) Usually one doesn't worry about finding a 5-4 fit in spades in this auction. But I guess that 3♠ could be played as natural. If so, we definitely need agreements how to show a good hand as opener, in case responder has slam interest. 4♥ must be a minimum bid. But when you post, you can specify the system in the comments.

2) Your example hand is a very strong 15-count with just the right values. Quite rare to have when you open a 12-14NT.

3) Not top 10 perhaps, but many of the other posters in the A/E forum are very strong international players.

[H_KARLUK]

Sorry, let's drop cl knave pls. I was busy&distracted at that moment.
I prefer to find 5/4 fits.
Very strong? Do you mean WBF LM top ten here? C'mon pls. I doubt WIM&WM top ten here. Sorry.

[MFA]

H_KARLUK, on Feb 8 2009, 10:30 AM, said:

NT range 15-17 here. If any has doubt hard to ask?

You wrote 12-14 yourself

[H_KARLUK]

You are right. Lag. I was trying to edit.

[H_KARLUK]

Advanced and Expert-Class Bridge I read. So why need to think abt "very strong" ? Moreover such facts can only understandable at tables.

I do not see "International Experts official corner" on caption. Sorry.

[H_KARLUK]

say there were > Kx-AQxx-xxx-Axxx.. I think still can play slam. I want to know what would be th correct bids.
Maybe MFA helps to comment reason/s. Thanks.
Sincerely
Hamdi
ps It was an auction we watched by a tourist guest pair in local club. They could not land slam also.

[OleBerg]

H_KARLUK, on Feb 8 2009, 05:30 PM, said:

Sorry, let's drop cl knave pls. I was busy&distracted at that moment.
I prefer to find 5/4 fits.
Very strong? Do you mean WBF LM top ten here? C'mon pls. I doubt WIM&WM top ten here. Sorry.

Hi Hamdi,

my advice:

Focus on the positive; A great chance to learn something.

You are right, answers here can be quite rude. I can be that myself, and has also received some harsh words. Those are the breaks.

Nobody in this forum gets paid for their efforts, so sometimes a short, possibly rude, comment is all you get. If you get ten alike to one post, there's a big chance that there is consensus about something. And people don't want to spend time and effort explaining what is obvious.

But take comfort, that some of the players that ridicule you ARE strong. I know for certain that some has represented their countries (and still is) in Open Teams.

So shape up, make good, well-prepared posts, and you will have a great chance to learn.

[H_KARLUK]

Hi Ole,

I like cards & auctions. I dislike rant.

[OleBerg]

H_KARLUK, on Feb 8 2009, 11:01 PM, said:

Hi Ole,

I like cards & auctions. I dislike rant.

In which case you should love comments like:

LOL

[jdonn]

H_KARLUK, on Feb 8 2009, 04:01 PM, said:

Hi Ole,

I like cards & auctions. I dislike rant.

LOL that is like me saying I dislike sarcasm.