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How is your judgement? Pass WTP? or Bid WTP?

#21 User is offline   ArtK78 

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Posted 2009-February-09, 08:44

I would have thought "3♣ WTP?" Then I saw that many consider it to be a problem.

So I will just say 3♣ and leave off the WTP.
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Posted 2009-February-09, 09:01

mikeh, on Feb 8 2009, 08:55 PM, said:

jdonn, on Feb 8 2009, 03:15 AM, said:

I definitely act. I think I bid 3♣, that could easily be where our sac is.

agreed

Agree with mike

Given that they didn't wanna bid a suit yet, 4♣ is an alternative.
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  Posted 2009-February-09, 10:08

3♣. Helps pard determine what's going on. I tend to agree with Frances that 4♣ should have a bit more body.
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Posted 2009-February-09, 10:17

FrancesHinden, on Feb 9 2009, 09:09 AM, said:

I have an agreement that 1minor P P action 3minor is "weak" (i.e. lots of playing strength but short in high cards).

I haven't discussed this particular auction, but if I had, say,

AKxxxx
x
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KJ10xxx

I'd really want to bid 4C here without partner thinking I've shown

AKQxxx
x
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AKJxxx

I understand your general point, but wow that second hand must be too strong for 4♣ under any definition.
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Posted 2009-February-09, 10:58

jdonn, on Feb 9 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Feb 9 2009, 09:09 AM, said:

I have an agreement that 1minor P P action 3minor is "weak" (i.e. lots of playing strength but short in high cards).

I haven't discussed this particular auction, but if I had, say,

AKxxxx
x
-
KJ10xxx

I'd really want to bid 4C here without partner thinking I've shown

AKQxxx
x
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AKJxxx

I understand your general point, but wow that second hand must be too strong for 4♣ under any definition.

OK, bad example.

My general point is:
Should 4C here be more a pre-emptive type call based on lots of shape, or should it be a genuinely good hand?
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Posted 2009-February-09, 11:04

I'm sure this is a copout, but I don't think it matters much in the sense there isn't tons of difference between them.
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Posted 2009-February-09, 11:49

3♣. If there's any future in this hand it's clubs, not spades.

Passing could be right, but its not winning bridge.

To the side question, I think 4♣ shows a real good hand, but not the 1.5 loser hand posted earlier. Probably AKxxxx, x, void, KJxxxx.
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Posted 2009-February-09, 12:52

At the table 3♣ was bid and then the doubling started:


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West North East South

 -     -     -     1♠
 Dbl   Pass  2♠    3♣
 Dbl   3♠    Pass  Pass
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 

It occurred to me that over the 2♠ cue it is relatively dangerous to enter the auction since there is no guarantee that the opponents have a fit and they are showing strength. At equal vulnerability a sacrifice at the five level is unlikely to save a lot.

It may even be safer to enter the auction with 4♣ if RHO responds 3♥ than after the cue-bid.
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Posted 2009-February-10, 03:42

umm... what's the point?
3Sx looks to be 300 or 500. This is hardly a disaster against the 4H contract they were about to bid and make.
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