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Is 2S enough?

#1 User is offline   cnszsun 

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Posted 2009-February-07, 07:36

Scoring: IMP

ps-1♣-ps-1♥
ps-1♠-ps-??

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Posted 2009-February-07, 07:39

Wow, a Michael Sun bidding problem that doesn't involve the 5 level :P.

Anyway, yes, 2♠ is enough for me.
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Posted 2009-February-07, 07:44

Close, if 1♠ is forcing (non-standard) I may bid 3. After all this 7.5 modified ltc.
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Posted 2009-February-07, 07:49

helene_t, on Feb 7 2009, 06:44 AM, said:

Close, if 1♠ is forcing (non-standard) I may bid 3. After all this 7.5 modified ltc.

I don't see how 1♠ is forcing or not is relevant, if partner has a non-minimum he will bid again over 2♠, so we are only worried about how our bid does opposite a minimum opener.

Anyway, I disagree that this is close, but I've been wrong before!
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Posted 2009-February-07, 08:10

2S

I can't construct a minimum hand for pard where 4S is cold and opps are silent. So, no invite for me.
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Posted 2009-February-07, 09:24

rogerclee, on Feb 7 2009, 02:49 PM, said:

helene_t, on Feb 7 2009, 06:44 AM, said:

Close, if 1♠ is forcing (non-standard) I may bid 3. After all this 7.5 modified ltc.

I don't see how 1♠ is forcing or not is relevant, if partner has a non-minimum he will bid again over 2♠, so we are only worried about how our bid does opposite a minimum opener.

My thought was, if 1♠ is nf then my 2♠ bid shows slightly more than the random 5 points.

But OK, I would rarely pass a nf 1♠ with 4-card support and rarely raise a forcing 1♠ with 3-card support so the difference is small.
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Posted 2009-February-07, 09:35

Seems like a routine 3S bid
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Posted 2009-February-07, 11:33

JLOL, on Feb 7 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

Seems like a routine 3S bid

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Posted 2009-February-07, 12:46

3♠.

Maybe there is a second part of this problem that involves the 5 level... :lol:
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Posted 2009-February-07, 14:55

3♠ looks normal to me too. While 1♠ isn't QUITE forcing, it can be a good hand.
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Posted 2009-February-07, 15:15

Minimum 3♠ bid for me noting my ♥ could be useful.
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Posted 2009-February-07, 15:40

3♠ for me (closer at MP's)
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Posted 2009-February-08, 10:22

Sure looks like a 3S bid to me.
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Posted 2009-February-08, 17:50

I think 2 is enough, yes. No singeltons...
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Posted 2009-February-09, 01:41

Playing Check-back Stayman, you can have an easy 2♣-2♦-2♠ sequence, as long as you don't use this sequence for different purposes.
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Posted 2009-February-09, 04:35

Obvious 3S bid, unless playing Edmunte's method above.
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Posted 2009-February-09, 10:28

Looks like a close 3♠ to me.... LTC of 8, known fit.. if partner has any extras (ltc of 6) then game rates to be good... if he has a minimum, 3♠ might fail, but will usually be reasonably safe.

Style helps a little... I would be more comfortable with 3♠ if 1♠ promised an unbalanced hand.. then it wouldn't be 'close', but most would bid up the line here.. and opposite a 4333 minimum, this could be a poor result...but so what? They pay a game bonus only when you bid game, not merely for making 10 tricks.
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Posted 2009-February-09, 11:46

The_Hog, on Feb 9 2009, 04:35 AM, said:

Obvious 3S bid, unless playing Edmunte's method above.

If playing XYZ, can't you also have your cake and eat it too ? ie 2♣ relay to 2♦ then 2♠ is obviously an invite with 4 card support even leaving room for opener to reinvite.
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Posted 2009-February-09, 13:52

Edmunte1, on Feb 9 2009, 02:41 AM, said:

Playing Check-back Stayman, you can have an easy 2♣-2♦-2♠ sequence, as long as you don't use this sequence for different purposes.

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Posted 2009-February-09, 15:44

My intuition is 2♠. But the more I think the more I can understand why 3♠ has supporters :)

However... it's not vul. So I stick to 2♠.
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