[jdonn]

It seems like you just randomly chose 6-11. I mean if they had 11 would you argue because 11 is better than average and therefore not weak??

Good grief, if you want to know how much it shows and they didn't specify, just ask.

[Free]

Old York, on Feb 6 2009, 07:42 PM, said:

Sheesh, a guy cannot ask a simple question on this forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not because the answer is not what you want to hear, that you can't ask a simple question...

The point of asking a question is to get an objective answer, so YOU can learn from it. If you ask questions but aren't willing to listen to arguments that go against your opinion, then you shouldn't ask questions in the first place. You might as well ask what color people prefer, and shoot everyone who doesn't say "blue".

As an answer to your question: the explanation was "weak", you just concluded from your aparent limited experience that this should be 6-11HCP, while in fact a hand with 5-5 distribution with 10-11HCP will usually be opened 1♠. So "weak" must be less than that for starters.
Note that there's nowhere a definition of the term "weak". There are definitions of a "weak two", but that's not the same thing. A "jaguar" (the animal) is not the same as a "purple jaguar" (the car).

Oh, and a 2♠ opening showing 5♠ and 5+m is not part of any "multi system", it's one of the many possible 2♠ openings, which just happens to be free when playing multi.

[qwery_hi]

Free, on Feb 7 2009, 04:45 AM, said:

Old York, on Feb 6 2009, 07:42 PM, said:

Sheesh, a guy cannot ask a simple question on this forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not because the answer is not what you want to hear, that you can't ask a simple question...

The point of asking a question is to get an objective answer, so YOU can learn from it. If you ask questions but aren't willing to listen to arguments that go against your opinion, then you shouldn't ask questions in the first place. You might as well ask what color people prefer, and shoot everyone who doesn't say "blue".

As an answer to your question: the explanation was "weak", you just concluded from your aparent limited experience that this should be 6-11HCP, while in fact a hand with 5-5 distribution with 10-11HCP will usually be opened 1♠. So "weak" must be less than that for starters.
Note that there's nowhere a definition of the term "weak". There are definitions of a "weak two", but that's not the same thing. A "jaguar" (the animal) is not the same as a "purple jaguar" (the car).

Oh, and a 2♠ opening showing 5♠ and 5+m is not part of any "multi system", it's one of the many possible 2♠ openings, which just happens to be free when playing multi.

Or to put it another way - Welcome to the intertubes. If you have a thick skin, you can learn a lot on here. For practice, peruse the comp.lang.lisp or even better the bsd unix forums.

[helene_t]

Old York, on Feb 6 2009, 08:01 PM, said:

Expert players have private agreements which they are incredibly reluctant to disclose.

This could never happen in f2f tournaments, because you can examine their convention cards

IMHO it happens all the time f2f, They may not have conventions cards, they may not be filled in to that level of detail, they may deviate from what is written on their cc, you may not bother to look it up at their cc but ask instead (thereby causing problems with UI both from asker and from answerer) and you get a vague answer.

Online at least you can ask all you want without fear of UI.

[slothy]

Funny this hand looks uncannily familiar to me

What was even more memorable about this was that in the prognosis of the hand it was insinuated i was unethical, that i psyched and even more that i 'cheated them out of a game', which on immediate analysis of the hand was an obvious red herring. The opps at the other table bid 4H making 10 (exactly, no chance of 11 if played by W) with no opening by my hand. Once i had opened 2S our side was committed to 4S (p having KJ9x xxx Jx AKQx)

I was NV vs V and i decided to open lighter than maybe we normally play (my p is a bit more conservative than me). NV against V we have no lower limit. i am a bit more circumspect Vul (in fact unexceptionally), even at equal.

I was NOT asked during the auction what our range was; i reconfirmed that it was 5-5 and weak. I was asked accusatively as the play of the hand developed. I certainly felt that i was the accused and had myself hauled over the coals for not 'playing fair'.

As i see it, the moment i opened 2S they were on for a bad board, even if LHO did manage to find a X after my 2S or after ps 4S.

Maybe this was the reason for the post. Had it of course backfired (as it has done on many an occasion, believe me ) (say 4H wasnt making and we phantomed in 4S) i doubt he would have reacted the way he did ie worthy of a post in this forum

[P_Marlowe]

Old York, on Feb 6 2009, 01:04 PM, said:

because Multi 2♦ shows a weak two in an undisclosed major, many players use 2♠ and 2♥ to show specific types of weak hands. This is down to partnership agreement (and is a Multi add-on), but many established pairs fail to alert the range.

So, the general consensus is that oppo failed to alert correctly?

No.

At best incomplete, but even that is open for discussion.
"weak" does not mean a specific range, if you need more information,
ask further.

With kind regards
Marlowe