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#1 User is offline   kfay 

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Posted 2009-February-05, 21:31

Matchpoints, favorable

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Jxxx
XX
AKT9XX

1d 2c p 3s
P. 4c p 4d
P. ?

3s is a support jump shift. Nonforcing. 5+ spades and 4+ clubs.

You regularly overcall 2c on these hands.
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Posted 2009-February-05, 21:36

LOL
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Posted 2009-February-05, 21:37

kfay, on Feb 5 2009, 10:31 PM, said:

3s is a support jump shift. Nonforcing.

LOL

wtf Clee beat me to it...

Anyways it is impossible for partner to bid 3S non forcing andthen over 4C non forcing bid 4D slam try lol. It is also terrible/unplayable to 3S as NF, and I've never heard of it, so given partner's inconsistent auction plus those facts I'm gonna guess it was forcing.

I think this is a wtp 5C now, we already overcalled.
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Posted 2009-February-05, 21:47

5♣.

As in the problem conditions, it's common for me to regularly overcall on normal overcalls.
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Posted 2009-February-05, 22:48

Agree with the crowd. Nonforcing lol
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Posted 2009-February-05, 22:53

JLOL, on Feb 5 2009, 10:37 PM, said:

It is also terrible/unplayable to 3S as NF, and I've never heard of it,

I've played major suit fit bids as NF with one infrequent pard. He's a Grand LM (not Chris btw) so I would hesitate to label them as unplayable.
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Posted 2009-February-06, 12:48

LOL

(5♣)
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Posted 2009-February-06, 12:54

If you play 2S as forcing, it's not unplayable to have 3S as non-forcing (although I don't). I play the (rather different) auction P P 1C P 2M as non-forcing fit.

Anyway, it's still a bit of a LOL question as JLOL points out partner bids 3S non-forcing, we bid 4C non-forcing and partner apparently makes a slam try?
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Posted 2009-February-07, 07:23

In theory, if 3♠ is actually NF (weird, but I'll bite), then 4♦ is NOT a slam try. So, what is it?

Obviously, choice. If Responder makes a choice bid here, Responder has better spades than advertised. Maybe instead of something boring like KJ10xx he has something more intense, like AKJ10x. Playable opposite a stiff honor?

Of course, with that holding, he could just rebid 4♠. So, 4♦ (as would 4♥) must be offering an alternative land. Maybe 5-1-4-3 shape?

OK, I'll guess that partner has ♠AKJ10x ♥x ♦Jxxx ♣Jxx. 4♠ for me.

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Posted 2009-February-08, 02:17

I'm curious to see what the hand was.

If MY partner did that, it would mean either mechanical failure (meant to bid 2♠) or mental failure (he thought I overcalled a diamond) and now was hurrying out of what could be a 3-2 fit. But I'm sure that never happens to you guys. :)
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Posted 2009-February-08, 04:47

Ken nailed it but it doesn't matter, 5♣ is obvious, even if 3♠ was forcing.
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