[MarkDean]

Scoring: IMP

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P 3C P ?

No agreements.

[mike777]

Both vul no agreements I assume pard shows 6 tricks....I bid 3nt..........could be wrong.

Bidding not over.

[jdonn]

6♣, lots of ways it could make, and I expect either an 8th club or something good like KQ on the side for a second seat vul three-level preempt off the AK.

[the hog]

6C bidding over.
Mike, of course you are playing in 3NT. "What do you mean bidding not over"?

[awm]

I'll bid 5♣. Perhaps I'm less optimistic about partner's number of side cards than others... I think ♣QJT9xxx and a side king is a pretty clear 3♣ bid and a lot of these hands don't offer all that much play for 6♣.

[dicklont]

Partners opens 3♣ vulnerable in second seat.
The the strongest position for a preempt.

Mark me down for 6♣, if it's one off we'll discuss our preemptive style.

[JLOL]

I would bid 6C also, perhaps influenced by my style but I don't think xx xx Kx QJT9xxx is a preempt at second seat vul, let alone a clear one. If playing with gnasher maybe I would do something else

[Fluffy]

I am afraid of having to make 2 tricks with Qx opposite Axx(xx) in 6 clubs wich need both the opponents to fail the lead and the finise to be onside.

Between 5♣ ir 3NT I think 3NT is the safest spot, but only if played by partner, Lets do something wild and bid 3♥, I hope partner doesn't take 5♣ next as a cue.

[FrancesHinden]

JLOL, on Jan 26 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

I would bid 6C also, perhaps influenced by my style but I don't think xx xx Kx QJT9xxx is a preempt at second seat vul, let alone a clear one. If playing with gnasher maybe I would do something else

gnasher (and I) pay attention to position and vulnerability.

This seems a bit of a guess. I usually wouldn't open a second seat vul pre-empt without either the A or K of my suit, so (assuming partner plays a similar style), what tempted a 3C opening? An 8th club and nothing else makes slam playable if partner has a singleton heart, or if they lead his side suit singleton. It's more likely he's got some shape e.g. 0157 when slam could be hopeless.

[FrancesHinden]

p.s. I'm amazed at the votes for 3NT. Partner hasn't promised an outside entry.

[Fluffy]

FrancesHinden, on Jan 26 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

p.s. I'm amazed at the votes for 3NT. Partner hasn't promised an outside entry.

But they also pay attention to vulnerability and position .

[P_Marlowe]

6C.

We have 6 tricks for p, p promises to go down at most 3,
and this means p is already taking the agressive path.

9 tricks he suggest -3 at most going down + my 6 tricks
means, we should be able to make 12 tricks.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gwnn]

P_Marlowe, on Jan 26 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

6C.

We have 6 tricks for p, p promises to go down at most 3,
and this means p is already taking the agressive path.

9 tricks he suggest -3 at most going down + my 6 tricks
means, we should be able to make 12 tricks.

With kind regards
Marlowe

six tricks?

[gnasher]

JLOL, on Jan 26 2009, 09:34 AM, said:

I would bid 6C also, perhaps influenced by my style but I don't think xx xx Kx QJT9xxx is a preempt at second seat vul, let alone a clear one.

Nor do I, but I don't think that adding side values to this hand would make a 3♣ opening more attractive.

I probably would preempt on xx x Kxx QJ109xxx, but I'd rather have something like x xx xx QJ10xxxxx or x x J10xx QJ10xxxx. Facing these hand-types, slam would need specific cards or shape, or possibly a favourable lead, and still not be cold. Opposite me, I think 5♣ is enough.

What sort of hand are you hoping for when you bid 6♣? Curiously, none of the 6♣ bidders have provided an example of a hand where 6♣ is good.

[FrancesHinden]

gnasher, on Jan 26 2009, 11:22 AM, said:

What sort of hand are you hoping for when you bid 6♣? Curiously, none of the 6♣ bidders have provided an example of a hand where 6♣ is good.

Well, the obvious one is xx x xx QJ109xxxx where 6C needs hearts 4-3

[P_Marlowe]

gwnn, on Jan 26 2009, 05:51 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jan 26 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

6C.

We have 6 tricks for p, p promises to go down at most 3,
and this means p is already taking the agressive path.

9 tricks he suggest -3 at most going down + my 6 tricks
means, we should be able to make 12 tricks.

With kind regards
Marlowe

six tricks?

Yes, you are right, I only have 5.

That makes it close, ... most likely it is better
to start with 3H, and after partners response
I may have a better idea.

The delayed game raise to 5C should show mild
slam interest, ... maybe in my dreams.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mtvesuvius]

I think I would punt 6♣, I have 5 tricks, and a potential ♥ trick. I would imagine partner opened 3♣ on something like x xx Kxx QJTxxxx or something similar. Partner certainly would not have opened on x xx Qxx QJTxxxx. However, x Qx Qxx QJTxxxx actually has a decent play for slam.

[jdonn]

gnasher, on Jan 26 2009, 06:22 AM, said:

What sort of hand are you hoping for when you bid 6♣? Curiously, none of the 6♣ bidders have provided an example of a hand where 6♣ is good.

I don't think it's curious, the reason is obviously because there are so many;

Almost anything with KQ(x?) of any suit.
Almost anything with Kx of hearts.
Literally anything with 8 clubs and a king on the side.
Almost anything with a king on the side and a stiff heart.
Almost anything with a doubleton heart, Kxx of one suit and a singleton in the other suit.

And lot's more smaller chances (a side suit with just one loser? QJ of a suit for a finesse?)

[kfay]

This hand blows. I'm just bidding 5♣. Even if 6♣ has a shot at making I'm fairly confident that the defense can get off a good lead for their side.

But I'm probably cursed with a history of partners for whom having 7 clubs would be pretty amazing... even in the face of me holding AK.

[Phil]

If pard can be counted on for more than QJ-7th 2nd seat red (and he should), we need to make a strong move.

I'm immediately dismissing 3N. On the hands where it's right, we are close to, or making 6♣.

I think the logical hands I can expect are:

1. QJ-8th of clubs. This gives us 11 off the top. The death hand seems to be a doubleton heart, but that also requires the opponents to lead partner's other doubleton. The other death hand I suppose is 1=3=1=8.

2. QJ 7th and an outside King. The only real problem hand is the one JLOL mentioned with Kx of diamonds, and this still requires the right lead.

I'm tempted to bid 3♦ to see if pard can show a major suit stopper, but this gives LHO a free lead director.

I'm also tempted to bid 3♥, but I'm not sure I'll elicit anything useful from pard.

6♣ for me.