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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2009-January-24, 18:38

♠JTxx ♥x ♦AQJTxx ♣Ax

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1♦ - 1♥ - 1♠ - 1N - ?
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Posted 2009-January-24, 18:43

3♠ (3♥ if you can) seems good. Either the king of diamonds is on my right or RHO is psyching with a big heart fit. In either case I want to be aggressive, but I don't like just going to 4 because partner will push toward slam too often over it.
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Posted 2009-January-24, 18:47

Contested or uncontested?
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Posted 2009-January-24, 18:57

Echognome, on Jan 24 2009, 07:47 PM, said:

Contested or uncontested?

Hahaha good question, I was assuming contested. I guess that's because uncontested it seems like a wtp 2♦.
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Posted 2009-January-24, 19:01

jdonn, on Jan 24 2009, 07:57 PM, said:

Echognome, on Jan 24 2009, 07:47 PM, said:

Contested or uncontested?

Hahaha good question, I was assuming contested. I guess that's because uncontested it seems like a wtp 2♦.

Uncontested (I put parentheses around contested bids).

Maybe we'll get a good bidding diagram button on here one of these days :lol:
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Posted 2009-January-24, 19:03

2♦ wtp?
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Posted 2009-January-24, 19:11

3D could work but it's just way too big of a bid imo. If partner has A K K with the DK he will bid again anyways.
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Posted 2009-January-24, 19:33

2♦ is enough for me with this likely missfit.
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Posted 2009-January-24, 19:35

JLOL, on Jan 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

3D could work but it's just way too big of a bid imo. If partner has A K K with the DK he will bid again anyways.

Would he 1N with that?
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Posted 2009-January-24, 20:03

Phil, on Jan 24 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

JLOL, on Jan 24 2009, 08:11 PM, said:

3D could work but it's just way too big of a bid imo. If partner has A K K with the DK he will bid again anyways.

Would he 1N with that?

Yes? lol
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Posted 2009-January-24, 21:13

I would just bid 2♦. Bidding more can work, but it is unlikely to get us to a game better than one on a finesse, and it can work out very poorly as well.
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Posted 2009-January-24, 22:59

2D. Seems just right.
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Posted 2009-January-25, 01:11

I don't know why this was posted? 2D
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Posted 2009-January-25, 02:23

Phil, on Jan 24 2009, 08:01 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 24 2009, 07:57 PM, said:

Echognome, on Jan 24 2009, 07:47 PM, said:

Contested or uncontested?

Hahaha good question, I was assuming contested. I guess that's because uncontested it seems like a wtp 2♦.

Uncontested (I put parentheses around contested bids).

Maybe we'll get a good bidding diagram button on here one of these days :(

how about

1d - 1h
1s - 1n
?

i don't understand why people try to put all the bids on a single line.


2d for me.
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Posted 2009-January-25, 14:19

matmat, on Jan 25 2009, 09:23 AM, said:

i don't understand why people try to put all the bids on a single line.

Me neither.

A good bidding diagram template would be nice to have. But it should be possible to post auctions that can't be misunderstood without it.
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Posted 2009-January-25, 17:03

skaeran, on Jan 25 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

matmat, on Jan 25 2009, 09:23 AM, said:

i don't understand why people try to put all the bids on a single line.

Me neither.

A good bidding diagram template would be nice to have. But it should be possible to post auctions that can't be misunderstood without it.

Just like we can post play problems without the diagrams too.

Anyway, I bid a mildly crazy 3N over 1N. If pard has his bid and a small doubleton diamond, I think we have the right IMP odds. Pard did have ♠Axx ♥A9xxx♦x ♣JTxx. Got a club lead, club continuation (with the King (?!)), but the ♦Kx was onside so 3N turned out to be monumentally lucky.

I've given the hand to a lot of people, and I'm getting a lot of support for anything from 2♦, 3♦ and 3N. Personally, I think its close but 3N is an overbid, since there are a lot of hands where it has no play, and some others pard will move over 2♦.
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Posted 2009-January-25, 17:11

If partner has 2 little diamonds and 2 aces don't you think he would bid 3N over 3D? If you bid 3N that seems to imply that you think you will miss games often enough when partner is passing that to justify bidding 3N. No offense to you but that seems really absurd to me.
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Posted 2009-January-25, 18:34

JLOL, on Jan 25 2009, 06:11 PM, said:

If partner has 2 little diamonds and 2 aces don't you think he would bid 3N over 3D? If you bid 3N that seems to imply that you think you will miss games often enough when partner is passing that to justify bidding 3N. No offense to you but that seems really absurd to me.

Sure its absurd, but since I'm getting a lot of 2♦, wtp, I think its far from a non-problem.
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