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Poll: Is 3D 100% forcing or not? (21 member(s) have cast votes)

Is 3D 100% forcing or not?

  1. Forcing (8 votes [38.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.10%

  2. Not Forcing (13 votes [61.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 61.90%

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#1 User is offline   InTime 

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Posted 2009-January-20, 02:48

North.....East.....South......West
1C.........1S.......Pass........Pass
Dble.......Pass....Pass........2H
Pass.......Pass....3D?

The question is:- Is 3D 100% forcing?
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Posted 2009-January-20, 02:51

what would you do with a good diamond-spade two suiter otherwise? 3♥? doesn't sound very good to me... F

later edit: everyone else is right, I could have bid 2♦ the round before, NF it is.
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Posted 2009-January-20, 03:04

It's a very good point to discuss and I don't know that either answer is 'standard'. To me non-forcing makes more sense. One reason is a hand worth forcing and with the shape to be bidding at this point would have been likely to act over 1♠ rather than risk a pass out. My other main reason is that I don't think it's a very good idea to prevent yourself from being able to compete in this spot if you are some shape like 5152. Maybe 2NT would come in handy for such a purpose, but that's the type of thing I don't think I would want to involve myself in here.

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Posted 2009-January-20, 03:19

Non-forcing. With a strong 5-5 in spades and diamonds, I'd have responded 2♦ over 1♠, anticipating this problem.
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Posted 2009-January-20, 04:08

Sounds non-forcing to me. If I wanted to force, I could always bid 3H, or have bid 2D over 1S.
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Posted 2009-January-20, 04:59

Non-forcing. I would have bid 2♦ over 1♠ with a D/S two-suiter and a good hand. The hand in question could be ....

♠ AQ974
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♦ J8732
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Posted 2009-January-20, 05:08

jdonn, on Jan 20 2009, 09:04 AM, said:

Maybe 2NT would come in handy for such a purpose, but that's the type of thing I don't think I would want to involve myself in here.

2NT sounds natural to me.
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Posted 2009-January-20, 05:12

Non forcing constructive, i would have bid 3♥ otherwise with a forcing hand. Something like QJ108x x AQJxx xx
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Posted 2009-January-20, 05:14

I would think it is nonforcing and doesn't even necessarily promise invitational values.
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Posted 2009-January-20, 05:35

NF. You can cue if you want to force.
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Posted 2009-January-20, 06:24

I voted forcing, but, why didn't I double 2♥? why would I pass 1♠ with less than FG values and a two-suited hand?

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-January-20, 07:16

Hanoi5, on Jan 20 2009, 01:24 PM, said:

I voted forcing, but, why didn't I double 2♥? why would I pass 1♠ with less than FG values and a two-suited hand?

Double would be somewhat penalty oriented. Not something you do with 5152.
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Posted 2009-January-20, 07:35

NF. Roland's example is very relevent here. 2NT also sounds Natural.
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Posted 2009-January-20, 07:42

NF, because playing this as forcing would make this game too complicated for me.
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Posted 2009-January-20, 07:45

After making a penalty pass of 1S when then next hand bids 2H partners pass of 2H should be F I think, dble penalty , so the hand in balancing postion needs to be able to compete without being punished for previous judgement about playing 1S. It seems more important to me that partnerships discuss how many H dble would show.
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Posted 2009-January-20, 08:32

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Non-forcing. I would have bid 2♦ over 1♠ with a D/S two-suiter and a good hand. The hand in question could be ....

♠AQ974
♥82
♦J8732
♣10

Roland


Is this a penalty pass at the one level?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

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Posted 2009-January-20, 08:34

Hanoi5, on Jan 20 2009, 09:32 AM, said:

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Non-forcing. I would have bid 2♦ over 1♠ with a D/S two-suiter and a good hand. The hand in question could be ....

♠AQ974
♥82
♦J8732
♣10

Roland


Is this a penalty pass at the one level?

Depends on your defense :rolleyes:. Another possible hand is:

♠ AKT9x
♥ xx
♦ T98xx
♣ x
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Posted 2009-January-20, 16:42

Forcing.

Ok, I though a lot about it, but after having realized,
that South converted the reopening double, ... it was
clear for me, I dont care about a nonforcing 3D.
If he wanted to introduce diamonds in a nonforcing way,
he could bid 2D instead passing the reopeing double.
Since he did not, ... he should shut up.

Of course the main issue maybe, that one player believed
the pass over 2H to be forcing, the other nonforcing.

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