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#1 User is offline   Lobowolf 

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Posted 2009-January-17, 23:05

Txx
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AKTxx
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Opponents silent at matchpoints...Anyone have a preferred alternative to a 15-point reverse after 1-1?
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Posted 2009-January-17, 23:11

This looks like a 2 raise to me. If partner needs to know, partner can raise ask with 2NT, I will bid 3 (Maximum with 3). Otherwise, I have described my hand. I don't think this is worth a reverse.
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Posted 2009-January-17, 23:11

Slow roll with 2.

If I reverse, my next call will be 3 which guarantees we reach game and also precludes 3NT when partner has moderate clubs. 2 keeps in play

* doubling the opponents if they come in
* 3NT
* diamond contract
* spade partial -- and there's no reason to assume that we're making a game yet

Someone will surely point out that this is another win for 1m-1M; 2 artificial handing many death hands.
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Posted 2009-January-17, 23:17

I understand raising 1s to 2s.....I also understand if pard opens 1nt.
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Posted 2009-January-17, 23:45

two spades
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Posted 2009-January-18, 00:40

2 but can live with a 1N opening.

Reversing is out of the question.
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Posted 2009-January-18, 02:25

I'll reverse. I don't think I've ever reversed with a 4-5 15 count, but A A AK T T T and three card support for partner, what can I say? I think it's too easy for 2 to miss game.
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Posted 2009-January-18, 05:33

Easy reverse. I reverse with 15 on a regular basis for systemic reasons.
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Posted 2009-January-19, 04:49

Agree with Josh. 2 Spade looks like Txx, Axxx,Akxxx,x f.e.
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Posted 2009-January-19, 05:26

Codo, on Jan 19 2009, 11:49 AM, said:

Agree with Josh. 2 Spade looks like Txx, Axxx,Akxxx,x f.e.

Are you saying that would be a minimum 2 bid? If so, I don't see why adding a singleton ace and two tens makes it into more than a maximum.
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Posted 2009-January-19, 06:17

Aces, Kings and Tens also get me. I will also reverse.
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Posted 2009-January-19, 08:45

gnasher, on Jan 19 2009, 08:26 PM, said:

Codo, on Jan 19 2009, 11:49 AM, said:

Agree with Josh. 2 Spade looks like Txx, Axxx,Akxxx,x f.e.

Are you saying that would be a minimum 2 bid? If so, I don't see why adding a singleton ace and two tens makes it into more than a maximum.

Nice point. But as a 2 Spade response normally is around 11-15 HCPS, an Ace difference could be enough to make a stronger bid.

And no, A,AK and a stiff are not minimum.
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Posted 2009-January-19, 09:21

gnasher, on Jan 19 2009, 06:26 AM, said:

Codo, on Jan 19 2009, 11:49 AM, said:

Agree with Josh. 2 Spade looks like Txx, Axxx,Akxxx,x f.e.

Are you saying that would be a minimum 2 bid? If so, I don't see why adding a singleton ace and two tens makes it into more than a maximum.

For clarification, and I bet you would have guessed this, I would bid 2 with Txx ATxx AQTxx A.
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Posted 2009-January-19, 10:08

jdonn, on Jan 19 2009, 10:21 AM, said:

gnasher, on Jan 19 2009, 06:26 AM, said:

Codo, on Jan 19 2009, 11:49 AM, said:

Agree with Josh. 2 Spade looks like Txx, Axxx,Akxxx,x f.e.

Are you saying that would be a minimum 2 bid? If so, I don't see why adding a singleton ace and two tens makes it into more than a maximum.

For clarification, and I bet you would have guessed this, I would bid 2 with Txx ATxx AQTxx A.

Josh, why is the playing strength of this hand so much less?* Even if partner has a doubleton diamond the difference in value between AKT and AQT is very small since we probably need to attack diamonds anyway if we hope to make 10 tricks.

I'd say that on hands where partner is passing a raise to 2, we are less than a 50% favorite to make a game. And if partner has good spades and little else, 2 should be our highest scoring partscore. And if partner has bad spades and a little else, at least we protected our plus. The danger hand for a raise to 2 is something like J8xxx, Kxx, Qxx, Kx which is probably 60-70% to make 4 and 3NT rolls unless diamonds fail to come in (and makes an overtrick in practice if diamonds and hearts play, and they misdefend or spades block). But if I reverse and partner has that hand, the auction is going to end in 4, not 3NT.
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Posted 2009-January-19, 10:22

xcurt, on Jan 19 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Josh, why is the playing strength of this hand so much less?

I didn't say it was "so much less". It's simply where I have a cutoff. Everyone has a cutoff somewhere, which means there will be two hands on either side of it that differ by very little. Since I admit this is the very minimum I would reverse with (generally not with this shape and strength at all), then naturally a hand that's only a little worse would not be a reverse.

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I'd say that on hands where partner is passing a raise to 2, we are less than a 50% favorite to make a game.

I agree. However I do not thinking missing a game (for example) 40% of the time is very good. Do you?

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And if partner has good spades and little else, 2 should be our highest scoring partscore.

AKQxx xxx xx xxx is 'good spades and little else' I would say.

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And if partner has bad spades and a little else, at least we protected our plus.  The danger hand for a raise to 2 is something like J8xxx, Kxx, Qxx, Kx which is probably 60-70% to make 4 and 3NT rolls unless diamonds fail to come in (and makes an overtrick in practice if diamonds and hearts play, and they misdefend or spades block).  But if I reverse and partner has that hand, the auction is going to end in 4, not 3NT.

I would always admit 2 (edited, I mistakently typed 2 before) can get us too high, just like you would always admit 2 can lead to a missed game. I don't feel the need to enumerate the cases.
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Posted 2009-January-19, 10:30

jdonn, on Jan 19 2009, 11:22 AM, said:

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I'd say that on hands where partner is passing a raise to 2, we are less than a 50% favorite to make a game.

I agree. However I do not thinking missing a game (for example) 40% of the time is very good. Do you?

If the alternative is stopping in a making partscore then yes. I'm claiming that if we reverse, we'll almost always reach game, so we should not reverse if it's a favorite to get us a minus score.
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Posted 2009-January-19, 10:58

Lobowolf, on Jan 18 2009, 08:05 AM, said:

Txx
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Opponents silent at matchpoints...Anyone have a preferred alternative to a 15-point reverse after 1-1?

A 1NT opening....

Having opened 1, I'll raise to 2
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