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Tricky 3NT a lot of aces and Kings are not enough

#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2009-January-16, 15:38

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After a revealing bidding, West leads 4 (2nd/4th), East produces the King and returns 6, West plays the queen.

What now?

If you duck the Heart:

Spoiler


If you win A and duck a spade

Spoiler


If you win A and cash AKQ

Spoiler


If you win A and duck a club

Spoiler


If you win A and play small diamond to the 10

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Maybe more lines avaible, but cannot tell you the continuations yet, full hand will take time since I go on vacation tomorow.
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Posted 2009-January-16, 18:05

I try to win the hert ace and duck a spade.

Then I duck in dummy and hope to give up 3 red tricks and a spade while winning four spades, 2 Clubs and 3 red tricks.
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Posted 2009-January-17, 05:01

Codo, on Jan 17 2009, 02:05 AM, said:

I try to win the hert ace and duck a spade.

Then I duck in dummy and hope to give up 3 red tricks and a spade while winning four spades, 2 Clubs and 3 red tricks.

At the level that I play, I would also play like this. But at your level East will take K and return a . Not sure if it is best to duck the against experts.
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Posted 2009-January-17, 05:44

I win the A, duck a club and
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View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2009-January-24, 19:17

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Posted 2009-January-24, 19:18

I think winning the heart and playing a club is pretty clear. I would cash the ace first and if the Q/J/T dropped I would cash the king catering to HH doubleton. If it didn't I would exit the 9 and eventually bank on a black suit coming in.
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Posted 2009-January-24, 19:22

HH doubleton accounts for about 10 % of the club layouts so it is not insignificant to just give up on that.

Ducking a spade at any point just seems terrible, you may be ducking your 9th trick and you have no idea what is going on in the diamond suit.
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Posted 2009-January-25, 04:14

JLOL, on Jan 25 2009, 02:22 AM, said:

HH doubleton accounts for about 10 % of the club layouts so it is not insignificant to just give up on that.

You don't get all of that 10%, because some of the time they'll drop an honour from QJ10x (or Hx, if they're on particularly good from), the hand with four clubs will have another heart, and you'll go down with spades 3-3.

I'm not disagreeing with your line, though - most of us aren't very good at playing the right card as a defender in this sort of situation.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-January-25, 17:16

gnasher, on Jan 25 2009, 05:14 AM, said:

JLOL, on Jan 25 2009, 02:22 AM, said:

HH doubleton accounts for about 10 % of the club layouts so it is not insignificant to just give up on that.

You don't get all of that 10%, because some of the time they'll drop an honour from QJ10x (or Hx, if they're on particularly good from), the hand with four clubs will have another heart, and you'll go down with spades 3-3.

I'm not disagreeing with your line, though - most of us aren't very good at playing the right card as a defender in this sort of situation.

Then I lose 2 clubs and 2 hearts and fall back on 3-3 spades?
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Posted 2009-January-25, 17:48

JLOL, on Jan 26 2009, 12:16 AM, said:

Then I lose 2 clubs and 2 hearts and fall back on 3-3 spades?

Oh yes. Some of us aren't all that good at counting to five either.

PS: I'm not sure how I escaped an official "LOL" for that, but thank you for your restraint

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... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-January-26, 02:32

gnasher, on Jan 25 2009, 06:48 PM, said:

JLOL, on Jan 26 2009, 12:16 AM, said:

Then I lose 2 clubs and 2 hearts and fall back on 3-3 spades?

Oh yes. Some of us aren't all that good at counting to five either.

PS: I'm not sure how I escaped an official "LOL" for that, but thank you for your restraint

tbh if you say something that I think is LOL I ususally think theres a reasonable chance that I'm missing something so an LOL might backfire :P Take it as a compliment.
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