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What is 1S-1N-3N? "Expert Standard"

Poll: What is opener's 3N rebid? (36 member(s) have cast votes)

What is opener's 3N rebid?

  1. A 5(332) hand with something like 19 hcp (9 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. A semi-balanced hand with 6+S and extras (27 votes [75.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  3. Can be either/both of the above (two way bid) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   awm 

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Posted 2009-January-11, 23:10

What are your thoughts on the auction 1♠-1NT-3NT?
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Posted 2009-January-11, 23:24

What is 1♠-1NT-2NT? For me is the 18-19 bal, so 3NT would be 6♠ and extras.

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Posted 2009-January-12, 01:38

6322 or 7222, great spades and at least two of the other suits covered.
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Posted 2009-January-12, 03:41

to me its just 7 spades headed AKQ and maybe little more.
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Posted 2009-January-12, 07:55

It can't show a balanced hand, 'cause if you had that you'd either open differently or bid 2NT, or pass. It has to be spade length and extras. It almost certainly has to be semi-balanced, with stoppers or partial stoppers in the side suits. Some hand that expects to take 9 tricks in NT, and not to take 10 tricks in spades, opposite a balanced minimum with fewer than 3 spades.
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Posted 2009-January-12, 08:24

I voted for the second option but the spades have to be really good.

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Posted 2009-January-12, 08:37

I agree with Fluffy here.
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Posted 2009-January-12, 08:40

awm, on Jan 12 2009, 12:10 AM, said:

What are your thoughts on the auction 1♠-1NT-3NT?

Doesn't it mean: "I want to be dummy in 3N. Who cares whether partner or the opponents know what I have?"
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Posted 2009-January-12, 10:44

normally 6(322) too strong to bid 3♠
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Posted 2009-January-12, 23:16

TimG, on Jan 12 2009, 09:40 AM, said:

awm, on Jan 12 2009, 12:10 AM, said:

What are your thoughts on the auction 1♠-1NT-3NT?

Doesn't it mean: "I want to be dummy in 3N. Who cares whether partner or the opponents know what I have?"

Of course not (because 1N doesn't promise a balanced hand).
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Posted 2009-January-12, 23:30

I thought it showed solid six-carder or longer and not a whole lot of extras. Certainly true of a minor opening, but I thought it was the same with a major. At least it is a useful agreement, even if it were not "expert standard". I don't know what expert standard would be. Surely 1s-1NT-2NT shows 18-19 and balanced so that meaning is out for the 3NT bid.
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Posted 2009-January-13, 06:40

good spades but suitable for NT as well. I would expect responder to correct to 4s fairly often
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