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Worth a Limit Raise?

Poll: Is this hand worth a Limit Raise? (41 member(s) have cast votes)

Is this hand worth a Limit Raise?

  1. Yes, 2[SP] (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Yes, Something Else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. No, 3[DI] (35 votes [85.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.37%

  4. No, Something Else (6 votes [14.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.63%

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Posted 2009-January-10, 14:27

As South, West Deals, Nobody Vul.

♠ 7
♥ JT2
♦ T762
♣ KQ542

(1♠) - 2♦ - (P) - ?

Is this worth a limit raise?

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Posted 2009-January-10, 14:30

Sorry abt. the suit symbols in the poll... I forgot :(
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Posted 2009-January-10, 15:00

lol no
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Posted 2009-January-10, 15:04

no lol
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Posted 2009-January-10, 15:04

Not for me..I need more than 6 HCP to make a limit raise here. 3♦
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Posted 2009-January-10, 15:45

Preemptive raise is better than limit raise.
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Posted 2009-January-10, 16:09

4♣ fit bid anyone?
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Posted 2009-January-10, 17:20

don't like to push to the 4 level when it is unnecesary, if RHO had bid 2♠ I think 4♣ would be a great idea.
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Posted 2009-January-10, 18:43

rogerclee, on Jan 10 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

lol no

It's obviously not worth a limit raise (you would puke if partner drives to 3N over that) but are you really happy bidding 3♦? This hand is quite powerful, and either we can ruff a couple of spades or opponents have a big fit there (and may still get there over 3♦).
I would bid 4♦ which should be a mixed raise, not preemptive, in this position. (I don't like 4♣ since the spade shortness, rather than the club suit, seems to be the feature of this hand.)
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Posted 2009-January-10, 19:04

whereagles, on Jan 10 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

4♣ fit bid anyone?

Yes, with a king more.

This hand also isn't good enough for me to call 4♦ as I've seen too many PD's overcall 2♦ on junk (noting that I overcall aggressively anyhow, but these overcalls are from outer space somewhere)

3♦ is forward going enough for me, and often buys the hand when we have no game and doesn't prevent PD with a max from taking another call.
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Posted 2009-January-11, 08:26

3♦ for me, anything more overstates my values. You're allowed to have a maximum once in a while....
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Posted 2009-January-12, 10:51

no
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Posted 2009-January-13, 15:04

I chose 3♦, IMO I didn't have a limit raise. My partner felt strongly that I did, and that I should bid 2♠. Anyway, I bid 3♦ and LHO bid 3♠ which was the final contract. The full deal:
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As you see, my partner should have bid 5♦, but was afraid to do so opposite a hand too weak for a limit raise.

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Posted 2009-January-13, 17:59

Your partner must have been an expert? 3♦ is fine in my b/i opinion
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Posted 2009-January-13, 19:58

mtvesuvius, on Jan 10 2009, 03:27 PM, said:

As South, West Deals, Nobody Vul. ♠ 7 ♥ JT2 ♦ T762 ♣ KQ542
(1♠) - 2♦ - (P) - ?
Is this worth a limit raise?
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I agree with neilkaz 4♣ = 10. 4♦ = 9, 5♦ = 8, 3♦ = 7, 3♠ = 6, 2♠ = 5.
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Posted 2009-January-13, 20:13

nige1, on Jan 13 2009, 08:58 PM, said:

I agree with neilkaz 4♣ = 10. 4♦ = 9, 5♦ = 8, 3♦ = 7, 3♠ =  6, 2♠ = 5.

Sorry if I'm picking on you today :) but generous to give a 10 to a bid that you agree is short a king, no?

neilkaz, on Jan 10 2009, 08:04 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 10 2009, 04:09 PM, said:

4♣ fit bid anyone?

Yes, with a king more.

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Posted 2009-January-13, 20:23

jdonn, on Jan 13 2009, 09:13 PM, said:

Sorry if I'm picking on you today :) but generous to give a 10 to a bid that you agree is short a king, no?
No problem. You nitpick everybody all the time :)
But Thank you Jdonn for pointing out my error. I meant whereagles not neilkaz
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Posted 2009-January-13, 21:41

mtvesuvius, on Jan 14 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

I chose 3♦, IMO I didn't have a limit raise. My partner felt strongly that I did, and that I should bid 2♠. Anyway, I bid 3♦ and LHO bid 3♠ which was the final contract.

Did your partner opine about whether a liimit raise was suitable with ♥KQ instead of ♣KQ?
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Posted 2009-January-14, 05:34

On 3rd thoughts, I reckon that 3♣ is yet another possibility:
4♣ = 10. 3♣ = 9, 4♦ = 9, 5♦ = 8, 3♦ = 7, 3♠ = 6, 2♠ = 5.
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