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Puppet Stayman variation 2N-3c-3d-3h showing 3-4 spades

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Posted 2009-January-08, 09:41

Niemeijer, the version of Puppet Stayman popular in the Netherlands, allows the pair always to find out if there is a major suit fit without bypassing 3NT. Except when opener if 54 in the majors. It is simple to add
2N-3♣
3♥-3♠*
as a natural bid to cater for opener being 4=5, and to cater for 5=4 you can play
2N-3♣
3♦*
as including the 5=4 hands, and then
2N-3♣
3♦-3♥*
as showing 3 or 4 spades, then opener can bypass 3N with 5 and bid 3♠ with 4.

Actually I met a pair in an IRL tourney that played it that way.

Does this version have a name? Is it popular somewhere? Yes I know I should have asked them.
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Posted 2009-January-08, 10:00

I avoid opening 2NT with 54 in the majors.
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Posted 2009-January-08, 10:03

FrancesHinden, on Jan 8 2009, 11:00 AM, said:

I avoid opening 2NT with 54 in the majors.

Ditto.

I also lack any tools for Puppet or Muppet or sny other such permutation to find out if Opener has 6-4-0-3 shape. I find that acceptable.
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Posted 2009-January-08, 10:11

When you avoid opening 2NT with 5/4 in the majors, how do you solve this one?

♠ A Q 6 4 3
♥ K Q 4 2
♦ A J
♣ K J

I feel that sometimes you cannot avoid it.
I have no solution for the rebid problem and have to accept that the 5-3 fit will not be found.
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Posted 2009-January-08, 11:31

dicklont, on Jan 9 2009, 05:11 AM, said:

When you avoid opening 2NT with 5/4 in the majors, how do you solve this one?

♠ A Q 6 4 3
♥ K Q 4 2
♦ A J
♣ K J

I feel that sometimes you cannot avoid it.
I have no solution for the rebid problem and have to accept that the 5-3 fit will not be found.

Looks like a normal 1♠ opening for me.
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Posted 2009-January-08, 17:14

Cascade, on Jan 8 2009, 12:31 PM, said:

dicklont, on Jan 9 2009, 05:11 AM, said:

When you avoid opening 2NT with 5/4 in the majors, how do you solve this one?

♠ A Q 6 4 3
♥ K Q 4 2
♦ A J
♣ K J

I feel that sometimes you cannot avoid it.
I have no solution for the rebid problem and have to accept that the 5-3 fit will not be found.

Looks like a normal 1♠ opening for me.

Right. Open 1♠, rebid 3♥ over the expected 1NT response. WTP?

I'll open 1NT when 54 (end even 63) in minors, but almost never when 54 in majors.

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Posted 2009-January-09, 09:33

"FIVE CARD TRANSFER STAYMAN" =
2NT - 3C -
3D = NO 5M & NOT 4H (A) THEN 3H ASKS S LENGHT:3S=3 3NT=2 4S=4.
(B) 3S OVER 3D = 35 IN MAJORS.

3H = 4/5 H ... THEN: 3S ASKS : 3NT = 4H 4H= 5H .

3S = 5S .

3NT = 44 MAJORS.

2NT - 3H(TRANSFER) -
3NT = 25 IN MAJORS.

THIS WAY YOU NEVER MISS A 5-3 MAJOR SUIT FIT. ;)
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