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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2009-January-06, 20:23

Matchpoints, All Red, First Seat

♠Axxxxx ♥AKQ ♦98xx ♣void

1♠ - (Dbl) - Rdbl - (P)
P - (2♣) - Dbl - (P)
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Posted 2009-January-06, 20:57

I pass. Partner's rdbl would put me into a forcing auction and his immediate dbl of 2♣ suggests a strong penalty inclination. With my quite possible 4 defensive tricks and a likely bad split with partners clubs I'd defend.
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Posted 2009-January-06, 20:58

Mbodell, on Jan 6 2009, 09:57 PM, said:

I pass. Partner's rdbl would put me into a forcing auction and his immediate dbl of 2♣ suggests a strong penalty inclination. With my quite possible 4 defensive tricks and a likely bad split with partners clubs I'd defend.

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Posted 2009-January-06, 21:54

I'm a coward - I'll bid 2♠. I think the clubs are too evenly divided between the
opponents and we could still have game opposite Hx in spades in partners hand.
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Posted 2009-January-06, 22:41

@#$!

I feel like I've got 4 tricks I guess.....

I'm not happy about passing, obv, but I guess I'll do it.
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Posted 2009-January-06, 22:44

I never have this much defense..happy to pass.
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Posted 2009-January-07, 04:46

I'm a chicken, I bid 2♦
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Posted 2009-January-07, 05:25

2S. Shows extra values because I didn't bid it at once over the redouble.

While passing is right if partner has a 'standalone' penalty double of clubs (e.g. after 1S 2C P P I would be happy to double), double here is usually a little more cooperative. I'm concerned about being +100 against our partial, or +300/500 against our game.
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Posted 2009-January-07, 05:31

FrancesHinden, on Jan 7 2009, 04:25 AM, said:

I'm concerned about being +100 against our partial, or +300/500 against our game.

All vulnerable, Frances.
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Posted 2009-January-07, 08:03

There is no way I am passing with 6 spades and a void in clubs.

Sorry partner if you have KQJTx of clubs.

I bid 2♠.

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Posted 2009-January-07, 08:21

Maybe stupid question, but aren't we forced to pass here, having failed to bid at the previous round? I thought pass-and-pull shows strength.

Oops I think that only applies if RHO rather than LHO had bid 2♣.
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  Posted 2009-January-07, 09:04

I'm passing. Pard likely has a no-fit hand and I'm going to enjoy defending with my four defensive tricks - I can imagine this defense....

<in a dreamy state of bliss>

...pard leads me a spade, ooh, dummy is 4-3-4-2 with a doubleton club. I'll win the A♠, it holds. Nice. Pard didn't do the redouble with fit trick again for a change. Let me try to cash three hearts - excellent. How can I help partner now who's dying to pound something other than Red Stripe beer over there...there, do I give him a ruff, or play a diamond through...why not, let me play a diamond through; pard will finally understand how good they are to me and vice versa, and peace and understanding with flow with effortless grace and ease finally.....

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In real world, I'm expecting 500 so passing.
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Posted 2009-January-07, 09:24

Yeah, I agree that we probably pound this thing. I expect to take the defense to take the first five tricks if partner has the stiff spade and at least one club, which seems likely, plus at least one more club ruff if he has a promotable club honor. That's assuming a partner with absolutely nothing in diamonds and just Qxx or Jxxx in clubs.
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Posted 2009-January-07, 09:27

Pass but I hate it. Will almost always run with a void, but I'll make an exception with this one.
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Posted 2009-January-07, 09:29

Pass, and don't hate it. 500 might be conservative.
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Posted 2009-January-07, 09:42

I would normally bid with this shape, but there are so few offensive prospects in this hand that I'll pass. On a good day partner does have a club stack.
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Posted 2009-January-07, 09:58

Very interesting hand.

In imps i would never pass this but in MP pass seems like a good gamble. Prospect of game arent really that much over 50% so +200 will rate to be pretty good. If partner got a powerhouse so taht we can make game then there is some chance for +800
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Posted 2009-January-07, 12:00

rogerclee, on Jan 7 2009, 06:31 AM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Jan 7 2009, 04:25 AM, said:

I'm concerned about being +100 against our partial, or +300/500 against our game.

All vulnerable, Frances.

Yeah this is what swayed me. I'd like +200 here. If they were white I'd bid I think.
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Posted 2009-January-07, 12:46

benlessard, on Jan 7 2009, 03:58 PM, said:

In imps i would never pass this but in MP pass seems like a good gamble. Prospect of game arent really that much over 50% so +200 will rate to be pretty good

Somehow at IMPs I wouldn't mind getting -180 so much.

I disagree with the fact that bidding now shows strenght, if you have extras you can cue or jump, having plenty of space to find best game.

Pass and reject the double means to me that I was willing to double something else, but not clubs.
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Posted 2009-January-07, 14:27

Fluffy, on Jan 7 2009, 10:46 AM, said:

I'm a chicken, I bid 2♦

yes you are :P

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