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Poll: What call is reasonable in your standards ? (45 member(s) have cast votes)

What call is reasonable in your standards ?

  1. PASS (12 votes [26.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.67%

  2. DBL (1 votes [2.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.22%

  3. 2 NT (2 votes [4.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.44%

  4. 3 CLUBS (25 votes [55.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.56%

  5. 3 DIAMONDS (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 3 HEARTS (4 votes [8.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.89%

  7. 3 NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. 4 CLUBS (1 votes [2.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.22%

  9. 5 CLUBS (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. OTHER (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   H_KARLUK 

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Posted 2009-January-03, 04:59



P   1♣  2♥*  ?

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Posted 2009-January-03, 07:27

I guess I would bid 3♣, but although it probably should be unanimous, it won't be :)
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Posted 2009-January-03, 13:05

Actually, you can afford to pass. If there's a game for our side, pard probably will bid again over 2♥.
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Posted 2009-January-03, 13:52

We have a gadget for this situation.

When the opponent's overcall a higher rankiing suit at the two-level we play:

1x (2y) ?

3x is exactly invitational 9-11(12)

2NT is either 6-8(9) or GF with a fit

If GF then 2NT would have a stopper as we can also bid 3y with a GF hand and without a stopper (frequently with shortage in the opponent's suit).
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Posted 2009-January-03, 14:02

Cascade, on Jan 3 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

We have a gadget for this situation.

When the opponent's overcall a higher rankiing suit at the two-level we play:

1x (2y) ?

3x is exactly invitational 9-11(12)

2NT is either 6-8(9) or GF with a fit

If GF then 2NT would have a stopper as we can also bid 3y with a GF hand and without a stopper (frequently with shortage in the opponent's suit).

That might be ok, but I think you need to define what invitational in a minor suit means. In other words can it be only 4 card support or should pard expect 5 card support? In a major suit does it show 3 card or 4 card support? How much length does 2nt promise? Do any of the bids infer shortness or can it be 4333 shape?
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Posted 2009-January-03, 14:41

whereagles, on Jan 3 2009, 08:05 PM, said:

Actually, you can afford to pass. If there's a game for our side, pard probably will bid again over 2♥.

I am uncomfortable with this. Not that I am particularly comfortable with alternatives, but I think that "can afford to pass" on the grounds that your problems are over when partner protects oversimplifies the case.

Anyway, I voted for 3C. Even though 1C can be as few as 2 the way I play it, and that argues perhaps more in favour of pass, but it is less likely that he has 2 (or even 3) clubs the way the auction has developed to date.
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Posted 2009-January-03, 17:24

I play rubensohl here, 2NT showing clubs with no definite strenght, I will have a tough decision next round.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 07:45

Partner 1C on 2xC only if 44M 32. Unlikely here. 4333 possible. Some show of 10 needed, but not suggesting spades, not suggesting H-stop/wrong-siding NT. 3C for me.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 08:55

Fluffy, on Jan 3 2009, 05:24 PM, said:

I play rubensohl here, 2NT showing clubs with no definite strenght, I will have a tough decision next round.

Give you are playing something artificial, I find it odd that you don't have two ways to raise clubs.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 10:02

of course, I can show GF in clubs with 3♦, but not invitational and weak raise
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Posted 2009-January-04, 15:17

H_KARLUK, on Jan 3 2009, 05:59 AM, said:

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P   1♣  2♥*  ?
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Posted 2009-January-04, 15:52

3♣. One of the pleasures of playing a weak notrump is realising that (minor) suit openings show "either a good suit or a good hand", making this straightforward.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 16:07

shevek, on Jan 4 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

3♣. One of the pleasures of playing a weak notrump is realising that (minor) suit openings show "either a good suit or a good hand", making this straightforward.

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Posted 2009-January-04, 16:17

yeah.. where does it say we're playing weak NT?
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Posted 2009-January-04, 16:23

whereagles, on Jan 4 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

yeah.. where does it say we're playing weak NT?

That is way less funny than only bidding 3♣ if you are.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 16:53



P   1♣  2♥*  ?

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Posted 2009-January-04, 17:53

Given that hand, either South has misbid, or the partnership agreement has been misexplained.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 17:55

blackshoe, on Jan 4 2009, 06:53 PM, said:

Given that hand, either South has misbid, or the partnership agreement has been misexplained.

That's a perfectly valid style of weak jump overcall. It's just on the sound end. I strongly disagree that the bid has been misexplained.
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Posted 2009-January-04, 18:14

rogerclee, on Jan 4 2009, 05:23 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 4 2009, 03:17 PM, said:

yeah.. where does it say we're playing weak NT?

That is way less funny than only bidding 3♣ if you are.

Yes, I see your point. Opposite long clubs or 15+ balanced you probably want to be in 3NT or at least 4♣. I was just having a gentle bleat about systemic assumptions in the post.

Playing Acol, I guess it's 3♥ then, though the underbid of 3♣ isn't bad..
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