[Cascade]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     1♠    Pass
 2♦    Pass  2♠    Pass
 4♠    Pass  Pass  Pass
 

CT CQ C5 C3
S2 S9 SK S7
S3 ?


Do you duck playing declarer for ♠AKxxx?

Do you play low playing declarer for ♠Kxxxx?

Is there a restricted choice argument?
I think there are twice as many AKxxx compared with Kxxxx.

Is there anything to partner's play of the 9? (unknown partner)

[Free]

I think you should play the Q. If partner has A9, he should've played the A imo. Just in case you have Qxx or Qx. If you have Qxx, you don't get such problems like this one, if you have Qx, declarer might make a mistake and finesse a second ♠.

Btw, this is a safety play, to guard against Q10xx in any hand

[luis]

Agree with Free.

[Flame]

I dont understand this question, maybe i don't understand how to read
CT CQ C5 C3
S2 S9 SK S7
S3 ?

pls explain

[robl]

Free, on Apr 23 2004, 11:37 AM, said:

I think you should play the Q. If partner has A9, he should've played the A imo. Just in case you have Qxx or Qx. If you have Qxx, you don't get such problems like this one, if you have Qx, declarer might make a mistake and finesse a second ♠.

Btw, this is a safety play, to guard against Q10xx in any hand

Well, North doesn't play the 9 from an original Q-T-9-x so it's only a safty play when South has four trumps.

In MP's you should play low, declarer will try to drop a Q-x. Playing IMP's is a different matter, play the Q.

/Robert

[Cascade]

Flame, on Apr 23 2004, 11:17 AM, said:

I dont understand this question, maybe i don't understand how to read
CT CQ C5 C3
S2 S9 SK S7
S3 ?

pls explain

Trick 1: CT CQ C5 C3
Trick 2: S2 S9 SK S7
Trick 3: S3 ?

The first card is the card led.

I hope this is clear.

[Cascade]

Free, on Apr 23 2004, 08:37 AM, said:

I think you should play the Q. If partner has A9, he should've played the A imo. Just in case you have Qxx or Qx. If you have Qxx, you don't get such problems like this one, if you have Qx, declarer might make a mistake and finesse a second ♠.

Playing the Ace from A9 would be wrong if declarer had six spades and partner had Qx.

[inquiry]

Robert is right, at MP, play low without much concern. At imps, you have to guess. Probably play low is right, for with AKxxx(x), declearer if taking the saftey play probably should have played ACE first then low, where you would almost have to play low because your partner never would afford to play the K from K9 (unlike A from A9).

Don't beat yourself up, however, giving them an overtrick here (making five) versus making four can't be all that bad. Surely Declearer has no club loser (he is not playing to ruff one), and partner can hardly have ♥A, ♦K and ♠A. So you will win three tricks at most it seems to me. IF he has the spade ACE, you will win two spades (if you play low) then either ♦K or ♥A but not both. PArtner's club five and declearers club 3 looks a little like partner is high-low with two clubs, so declearer will have 3♠, 4♣ and either two he and a di or 3 ♦. Surely if partner has ♥AQ, and diamond king, declearer would not be "ducking a spade" for a potential ♥ lead.

Ben

[Flame]

Free's explnations about partner having to play A from A9 are nice, but to play the Q you play against "natural" play, you play partner to play the 9 from 9x which is not normal and not likely, also you play declerer to play low from AKXXX which is again not normal, true its possible to play like that for a safty play but this also recuire that the rest of the hand is good for this safty play, for example if partner has AQ of heart here then this safty wont be so safe and will give us a a ruff and down one on a cold game, other things can happend. so basicaly playing the Q is for a specific situation where all the cards are good for safty play, the declerer recognized that, and partner did a strange move playing 9 from 9x, and all this to get muone less overtrick. Not worth it, remember that in defence you dont have that much time to think my partners would play 9 from A9, 10 times more then 9 from 9x.

BTW i didnt understand the first message because my hand looks like RHO of dummy in the picture.

[Trpltrbl]

I must be stupid, cause I can't imagine all of you are. When the 2 of ♠ is played from dummy and I played the 7 if my pd has the A9 of ♠, why in Godsname would he duck the ♠ king? To make sure opps are making their unmakeable Vul contract since we had 3 natural ♠ tricks?

Mike

[Trpltrbl]

And another thing, How can I lead ♣10. Was fairly sure that leading out of turn was impossible on BBO ? Maybe because you are a yellow you have special priviligies, not that this is a good one hehehe.
Of course I can still be stupid

Mike

[inquiry]

Trpltrbl, on Apr 24 2004, 05:02 PM, said:

And another thing, How can I lead ♣10. Was fairly sure that leading out of turn was impossible on BBO ? Maybe because you are a yellow you have special priviligies, not that this is a good one hehehe.
Of course I can still be stupid

Mike

The "shown" hand is always south. So the hand with the club Ten is to the left of the opener, and dummy is to the left of it. So, remarkably enough, the ♣T is properly lead. ... now, as to your intellegence... :-)

Ben

[Trpltrbl]

Scoring: IMP

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I guess this is what the hand should look like ?

Mike

[Trpltrbl]

Now that I finally figured out what is going on, sigh, I guess I am stupid.
Now I agree with Free.

Mike

[Free]

I don't know what hand partner can have to make a trick when I play the 9 from A9, except partner having the Q. So if it's Q stiff, I'll lose a trick for sure with playing the Ace, but in ALL other cases I'll win more than I can lose. The J isn't enough, and if partner has KTx you won't make more than 2 tricks. When partner has Qx, declarer can make 2 mistakes. If you play low, he can finesse the K or the T - 50%. If you play the A, he'll play low, and second time he plays ♠, he'll have the same choice again, so it's again 50% => even. If partner has Qxx, you can get in such situations like above. Even if partner has KQx!! Do you really want to keep your A for nothing but honour cards from partner? I don't.

[Flame]

Free, on Apr 25 2004, 09:48 AM, said:

I don't know what hand partner can have to make a trick when I play the 9 from A9, except partner having the Q. So if it's Q stiff, I'll lose a trick for sure with playing the Ace, but in ALL other cases I'll win more than I can lose. The J isn't enough, and if partner has KTx you won't make more than 2 tricks. When partner has Qx, declarer can make 2 mistakes. If you play low, he can finesse the K or the T - 50%. If you play the A, he'll play low, and second time he plays ♠, he'll have the same choice again, so it's again 50% => even. If partner has Qxx, you can get in such situations like above. Even if partner has KQx!! Do you really want to keep your A for nothing but honour cards from partner? I don't.

Like i said, you're anazylinng is very well, but in real life partner have 2 seconds atmost to think of this problem, he cannot afford to think about the trick or else declerer will know where the A is. Now as a partner of this player who played the 9 what is more lickly, 1: partner just player small second hand like a normal boy without making any genious moves, or 2: partner for some wierd resson played 9 from 9x. usually i prefer to play for the normal play rether the the genius play, especially when whats on stack here is taking a contract down as opposite to an overtrick

[Trpltrbl]

Flame, on Apr 25 2004, 11:09 AM, said:

Like i said, you're anazylinng is very well, but in real life partner have 2 seconds atmost to think of this problem, he cannot afford to think about the trick or else declerer will know where the A is.

That's why you think when first trick is lead so you won't give any info away during play.

Mike

[EarlPurple]

The problem with the diagram is you made us South and dummy West.

Would be easier to follow if you made us East here and dummy North.

[EarlPurple]

As for the hand, I don't believe most East players would rebid their spades holding 5 to the king. So I would play the queen on the 2nd round.

[inquiry]

EarlPurple, on Apr 26 2004, 05:44 AM, said:

The problem with the diagram is you made us South and dummy West.

Would be easier to follow if you made us East here and dummy North.

It takes a while to get use to. I know that I was always making declearer south and dummy norht on problems. However, the software is written so that when you click LEFTDUMMY or RIGHTDUMMY button, it gives you as south and makes the dummy West or EAST.

It took me nearly a month to get use to this, but now it is not bad at all. After all, it is just a "convention" to make south always as declearer. The convention here is to make the "problem" hand (that is yours), always south.

If you like I can link you to lots of threads where I either posted hands wrong, or read the post of others wrong when the hand inserts came along.

Ben