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Posted 2003-March-03, 00:19

1. after opening 1Cl/1D with 5 card suit - 11-14 HCP and getting the 1H/1Sp response - what do you bid:
1NT or 2Cl/D..., and does it depend on if responder was a passed or nonpassed hand?
2. after responding to 1Cl/D with 5 card suit 6-10HCP 1H/Sp and getting 1NT re-response - what do you bid:
Pass or 2 of your suit..., and does it depend on if you were a passed or nonpassed hand?
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Posted 2003-March-03, 01:34

My opinion -
1) Doesn't depend on passed/non-passed. Depends on the quality of you suit. With 4 of the top 5 or the AKQ I would rebid my suit. With less I would bid 1 NT.
2) As a non-passed hand I would rebid my suit if it was strong (see above), and pass if it wasn't.  As a passed hand I would pass, except with a strong suit AND I was at the top of the weak range (10 or a good 9).
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Posted 2003-March-03, 02:09

1. after opening 1C/1D with 5 card suit - 11-14 HCP and getting the 1H/1Sp response - what do you bid:
1NT or 2C/D..., and does it depend on if responder was a passed or nonpassed hand?


You left a few things out, so I assume you meant something like 5-3-3-2 distribution. Where 2 is not in partners suit. For if I had three card support, the option to raise to 2H/2S would also be available. I would raise with three cards and a minimum type hand. So for instance, 1D-(p)-1H-(p)-2D is pretty much always a six card suit. With 4S or 4C I would bid that suit. With three card support I would tend to raise (unless with extra values).

In my case, the 1NT rebid, especially if partner is a passed hand, would be more typical. I don't need stoppers in both of my 3 card suits.

"2. after responding to 1Cl/D with 5 card suit 6-10HCP 1H/Sp and getting 1NT re-response - what do you bid: Pass or 2 of your suit..., and does it depend on if you were a passed or nonpassed hand?"

With a five cards suit I would pass. Why, see above, since I expect my partner to raise with three cards support on many hands (yes, I know this is not a popular treatment - most people require four cards for this raise). If you raise with three card support when weakish, then over NMF, you can then rebid 2 of your partner suit with a doubleton honor (otherwise you need three card support) or jump to 3 of the major with three card support, as you will also have the promised extra value. Also, if the bidding goes 1D-(p)-1H-(p)-1NT-(p)-2D-2H is safe type of bid, as it shows three card support plus extra values (to "good" for 2H originally given the 1NT rebid).
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Posted 2003-March-05, 18:55

Great Question!
You actually touch one of the most important points in SAYC.

There are 6 key points:
1) pass instead open bid.
If with such a hand
S ××
H ××
D KJ××
C AK×××

2) rebid 1NT
S ××
H ××
D KQ×
C AKJ×××

1C 1H
1NT

3) support P's suit
S ×
H ×××
D KQ××
C AKJ××
1C 1H
2H

4) rebid 2c only you have 6 card suit
S *
H Q**
D K××
C AQJ×××
1C  1S
2C

5) (some experts) will rebid 2C with such a hand instead above hand.
S K××
H A××
D ×
C AK××××
because they do not want to miss 3NT when P has
such a hand.

S A**
H ****
D J10**
C Q*

6) change your system(or part of your system) .
Many experts prefer this way.
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