[shevek]

Say you play a Standard Multi 2♦.
So called Muiderberg twos (there are other names like Dutch 2s) fit well with that, where 2♥/♠ show 5-card suits & another suit, 5-5 when vulnerable, 5-4 okay not vul.
There are variations on shape & suit shown.
Which version is dominant now where you live?
Which is better?

[jikl]

Doesn't this all depend on whether the standard 2NT opening is bundled into the 2♦ opening? Then it is a 3 way question.

Sean

[Cascade]

I would say that 5M + 4m is dominant here.

There are some who play 5M + 5m and some who play 2♥ as hearts and another.

Which is better? I am not really sure but I would be happy with 5/4 not vul and mostly need 5/5 vulnerable or something similar.

[Codo]

Here in northern Germany we have a lot of polish players, which influences the style a lot.

My guess is that most play a kind of Benjamin or the like, but when they play two-suiters, the polish style (H+any, S+m) is dominant.

[CSGibson]

Codo, on Dec 16 2008, 01:20 AM, said:

Here in northern Germany we have a lot of polish players, which influences the style a lot.

My guess is that most play a kind of Benjamin or the like, but when they play two-suiters, the polish style (H+any, S+m) is dominant.

Benjamin?

[helene_t]

Sorry for being pedantic, but Muiderberg is Muiderberg - option two. The others are called something else (Lucas, Polish, whatever).

In the Netherlands some use alternative spellings (Muiderzand, Puinerberg, Modderheuvel) to indicate that they play "something similar to Muiderberg".

[csdenmark]

CSGibson, on Dec 16 2008, 10:36 AM, said:

Codo, on Dec 16 2008, 01:20 AM, said:

Here in northern Germany we have a lot of polish players, which influences the style a lot.

My guess is that most play a kind of Benjamin or the like, but when they play two-suiters, the polish style (H+any, S+m) is dominant.

Benjamin?

http://bridgefiles.n...nv/Benjamin.htm

[blackshoe]

I have been playing bridge here (Rochester, NY) for 14 years. I have yet to see anyone playing 2♦ as either multi or Muiderberg, or any other weak variant. I've seen Flannery, Roman, and mini-Roman occasionally, but almost all players here play 2♦ as a natural weak 2.

[TimG]

blackshoe, on Dec 16 2008, 10:59 AM, said:

I have been playing bridge here (Rochester, NY) for 14 years. I have yet to see anyone playing 2♦ as either multi or Muiderberg, or any other weak variant. I've seen Flannery, Roman, and mini-Roman occasionally, but almost all players here play 2♦ as a natural weak 2.

One reason is probably that Muiderberg is a mid-chart convention in ACBL (though I'm wondering what precludes it from the GCC :-)). Same with Multi (which is now limited to 6+ board segments). Probably not much opportunity to play either in Rochester.

[Kaapo]

OCR twos (2♥ showing either ♥+♣ or ♠+♦, 2♠ either blacks or reds, 2NT either minors or majors) are still part of the Finnish Modern Standard. While the system isn't very popular (or modern) any more, those 2-level openings might easily still be the most common structure for 2-suited openings over here.

Some strong clubbers play what they call Roman 2's: 2M showing an opening hand with 5+M and 4+♣. And it's not very uncommon to play the 2NT opening to show a 5-5 hand with *any* 2 suits. Also, I've seen some play Muiderberg-ish in a way, where 2♠ is used for both majors (instead of 2♥ that was in the list).

Personally I'd choose 5M-4+m nonvulnerable and 5M-5+m vulnerable. I didn't vote, because perhaps you can't really classify OCR as a form of Muiderberg.

[blackshoe]

TimG, on Dec 16 2008, 12:17 PM, said:

blackshoe, on Dec 16 2008, 10:59 AM, said:

I have been playing bridge here (Rochester, NY) for 14 years. I have yet to see anyone playing 2♦ as either multi or Muiderberg, or any other weak variant. I've seen Flannery, Roman, and mini-Roman occasionally, but almost all players here play 2♦ as a natural weak 2.

One reason is probably that Muiderberg is a mid-chart convention in ACBL (though I'm wondering what precludes it from the GCC :-)). Same with Multi (which is now limited to 6+ board segments). Probably not much opportunity to play either in Rochester.

I keep saying there's almost no opportunity to try out Mid-Chart stuff around here, and everybody keeps telling me it's no problem in California or whetever, so it can't possibly be a problem for me.

[awm]

We don't see a lot of these methods around here because of the ACBL, but I have seen several pairs play polish twos, with 2♥ = 5+♥ and 5+ other and 2♠ = 5+♠ and 5+ minor. The 5/4 variant doesn't seem popular even among those playing multi.

[MickyB]

I'm always very happy to see oppo who'll open 2M with 5-4 majors. If the opening shows 5-5 then it is a bit different, at least responder will frequently look for opener's second suit so you'll find your fit in the other major.

I certainly think they should promise 5-5 when vul.

As for the 'current trend', the number of pairs instead playing 2D as a bad weak two and 2M as a good weak two is on the increase.

[Roupoil]

Two-suited weak twos aren't very popular yet in France, but from what I have seen, I think most of those who play them play 5M-4m.