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Playing IMPs with an established partner (Playing 2/1), you pick up (Spots exact):
♠ AT
♥ AKT52
♦ Q6
♣ 8532
You open 1♥, partner bids 2♦ (GF), what is your next bid, and what is your plan?
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Posted 2008-December-15, 17:45
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Posted 2008-December-15, 17:50
You need a waiting bid,
Most play that to rebid your suit as the waiting bid, some prefer 2Nt as the catchall bid.
Some play that the cheapest call is waiting (alertable)
These hand are pretty frequent so you really need a way to handle them.
Most play that to rebid your suit as the waiting bid, some prefer 2Nt as the catchall bid.
Some play that the cheapest call is waiting (alertable)
These hand are pretty frequent so you really need a way to handle them.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 17:56
Even kenrexford would bid 2♥ with this.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 18:00
You have 3 options:
2♥: I think that you would find this to be the most popular choice amongst expert partnerships playing a straightforward 2/1 method. It carries NO suggestion of a 6th heart, nor even of a good suit... it is the default bid.
2N: some minority of 2/1 experts will argue that 2N should be the default bid. This allows 2♥ to promise 6 cards, if you also play that you bid out your shape, as with...
3♣: a minority of 2/1 players believe that one should show shape, rather than strength. I suspect that most of those would NOT choose 3♣ here, since the suit is entirely unworthy of being offered as a prospective trump suit... but some would bid 3♣ with xx AKxxx Qx Axxx, while most would not (they'd bid 2♥, reserving 3♣ for a hand with significant extras.. say a King equivalent more than a reasonable minimum).
In any event, this hand is a problem only to partnerships who have not discussed this situation... and most have (or do very shortly after such a problem arises
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My (very strong) preference is for 2♥.
2♥: I think that you would find this to be the most popular choice amongst expert partnerships playing a straightforward 2/1 method. It carries NO suggestion of a 6th heart, nor even of a good suit... it is the default bid.
2N: some minority of 2/1 experts will argue that 2N should be the default bid. This allows 2♥ to promise 6 cards, if you also play that you bid out your shape, as with...
3♣: a minority of 2/1 players believe that one should show shape, rather than strength. I suspect that most of those would NOT choose 3♣ here, since the suit is entirely unworthy of being offered as a prospective trump suit... but some would bid 3♣ with xx AKxxx Qx Axxx, while most would not (they'd bid 2♥, reserving 3♣ for a hand with significant extras.. say a King equivalent more than a reasonable minimum).
In any event, this hand is a problem only to partnerships who have not discussed this situation... and most have (or do very shortly after such a problem arises
)My (very strong) preference is for 2♥.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 18:10
I bid 2NT a lot more than others, but I have to admit that this looks like a 2♥ call.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 18:19
2♥, no doubt about it but your partner will probably be expecting 6, these hands cant be bid without agreements.
but your partner will probably be expecting 6, these hands cant be bid without agreements.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 18:49
2N. If partner had responded 1♠, I'd be bidding 1N, so this doesn't seem like a distortion to call this a balanced 12-14 (or 18-19) with 5 hearts. Since I've described my relative strength and shape well enough, my next plan will be to let partner describe his hand/place the contract.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 18:52
2H because I don't want to wrong-side the NT.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 19:38
What Winston said.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 19:50
The NT isn't wrongsided in 3 suits (thanks to that ♠T), and I have some length in the 4th. The NT is probably better from my side because of that expected spade lead. Now Jxx from partner is a 2nd stop.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 19:56
Wow. Agree this hand is a complete non-problem because you just make your normal catchall bid (2♥ for me).
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 21:26
CSGibson, on Dec 15 2008, 08:50 PM, said:
The NT isn't wrongsided in 3 suits (thanks to that ♠T), and I have some length in the 4th. The NT is probably better from my side because of that expected spade lead. Now Jxx from partner is a 2nd stop.
That's true, but partner's Kx of clubs is pretty exposed.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 21:45
I am not convinced by the argument that 'I would rebid 1NT after 1♥ 1♠ so 2NT is good now.' In the first case 1NT is very likely the best contract, and there is only one way to get there. In this case if 3NT is best you have plenty of time to get there.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 22:21
CSGibson, on Dec 15 2008, 07:49 PM, said:
2N. If partner had responded 1♠, I'd be bidding 1N, so this doesn't seem like a distortion to call this a balanced 12-14 (or 18-19) with 5 hearts.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 23:16
3♣
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Posted 2008-December-15, 23:25
2H. I think 3C is worse than 2NT which is really not my style.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 23:52
JLOL, on Dec 15 2008, 09:21 PM, said:
CSGibson, on Dec 15 2008, 07:49 PM, said:
2N. If partner had responded 1♠, I'd be bidding 1N, so this doesn't seem like a distortion to call this a balanced 12-14 (or 18-19) with 5 hearts.
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Posted 2008-December-16, 06:16
mtvesuvius, on Dec 15 2008, 06:45 PM, said:
Playing IMPs with an established partner (Playing 2/1), you pick up (Spots exact):
♠ AT
♥ AKT52
♦ Q6
♣ 8532
You open 1♥, partner bids 2♦ (GF), what is your next bid, and what is your plan?
♠ AT
♥ AKT52
♦ Q6
♣ 8532
You open 1♥, partner bids 2♦ (GF), what is your next bid, and what is your plan?
2nt default. balanced 11-13. As others have said I would have rebid 1nt over 1s.
second choice 2h which I can live with even though pard will assume 6 with me.
I play 2h style that shows 6
I play 3c is natural and does not show extras but better than xxxx.
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Posted 2008-December-16, 06:52
I am surprised that this is even posted as a problem, if you play normal 2/1 its an easy 2♥ rebid, if you play some crazy agreements, then stick to them.
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