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Suppose you have agreed 2/1 with a strong partner. You are not playing any sort of "two-suited" preempts, and have not specifically discussed opening style. Which of these look like opening 1♥ bids in first chair, all NV, IMPs?
Opening bid? Mike777's favorite?
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Posted 2008-December-01, 13:35
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Posted 2008-December-01, 13:51
I would expect everybody to open the last hand and pass the first hand.
I would open the next to last hand but I don't think it is bad not to do so.
The middle hand I could go either way, although playing with cherdano it is a clear opener.
The second hand I would pass although I might open it when playing with cherdano.
I would open the next to last hand but I don't think it is bad not to do so.
The middle hand I could go either way, although playing with cherdano it is a clear opener.
The second hand I would pass although I might open it when playing with cherdano.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 13:53
Middle hand is an opener for me, 2nd hand is too weak lacking aces.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 13:59
The first one is just too weak for me, the rest I'd open. Of course provided that's my partnership style - I'd pass the 2nd hand with some.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 15:40
3, 4, and 5 I would open. 2 is a maybe, might depend on the 'X's
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Posted 2008-December-01, 15:43
3+ always. 2 depends on spots and vul and partnership. 1 is obviously too disgusting to open in any sort of normal system, and frankly I wouldn't want to play a system that tells me to open it.
BTW it's not totally clear that 4 is better than 3...
BTW it's not totally clear that 4 is better than 3...
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Posted 2008-December-01, 15:46
I'd open all of these except #1
After we go down in some contract on #2 and partner glares at me I'll just shrug, no apologies.
After we go down in some contract on #2 and partner glares at me I'll just shrug, no apologies.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 16:07
I would open (2).
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Posted 2008-December-01, 16:11
All the hands except for (1) are comfortable openers for me.
I would Pass (1) under the stated conditions (all NV). Vulnerable, it is an easy Pass, w/r I would always open (but I agree the hand is a bad hand, not 'worth' an opening bid).
I would Pass (1) under the stated conditions (all NV). Vulnerable, it is an easy Pass, w/r I would always open (but I agree the hand is a bad hand, not 'worth' an opening bid).
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 17:54
Everything but (1). (2) is close, but the rest are clear-cut openers IMO, and passing such hands is losing bridge.
With hand (2), how happy would you be with the auction
p-(1♠)-p-(2♠/3♠)? Double is possible, but partner wouldn't know you have 5 hearts.
Playing 2/1, I think it is far better to open lighter hands and GF as responder with stronger hands, than to open with sounder hands and GF with lighter hands.
With hand (2), how happy would you be with the auction
p-(1♠)-p-(2♠/3♠)? Double is possible, but partner wouldn't know you have 5 hearts.
Playing 2/1, I think it is far better to open lighter hands and GF as responder with stronger hands, than to open with sounder hands and GF with lighter hands.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 05:52
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3+ always. 2 depends on spots and vul and partnership. 1 is obviously too disgusting to open in any sort of normal system, and frankly I wouldn't want to play a system that tells me to open it.
BTW it's not totally clear that 4 is better than 3...
BTW it's not totally clear that 4 is better than 3...
I prefer to have 2 real quick tricks when opening light.
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Playing 2/1, I think it is far better to open lighter hands and GF as responder with stronger hands, than to open with sounder hands and GF with lighter hands.
This doesnt take into account that sometimes you want to X the opponents.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 06:47
I open 2.65 or so.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 08:53
I like to have 2 defensive tricks when I have only 11 HCP and 5 cards suit(s), so #3 is my choice.
Playing Precision ♣ one would hardly pass #2 though.
BTW, I think that if we end up playing in a red suit #4 promises more than #3 even with an Ace less, but if we end up defending, I prefer to hold #3.
Playing Precision ♣ one would hardly pass #2 though.
BTW, I think that if we end up playing in a red suit #4 promises more than #3 even with an Ace less, but if we end up defending, I prefer to hold #3.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 12:45
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I'll pass 1st hand due to bad hcp placement.
Open all others. Note that the suit is hearts and we're short on spades. If we don't bid those hearts now, we might not have another chance.
Open all others. Note that the suit is hearts and we're short on spades. If we don't bid those hearts now, we might not have another chance.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 19:43
awm, on Dec 1 2008, 02:35 PM, said:
Suppose you have agreed 2/1 with a strong partner. You are not playing any sort of "two-suited" preempts, and have not specifically discussed opening style. Which of these look like opening 1♥ bids in first chair, all NV, IMPs?
I open all but the first one but change the first one just a little, example give it 6Hs and I open it one heart. Of course partner needs to expect this.
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Posted 2008-December-06, 01:03
second one
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Well I have to agree with Josh again, hand 3 is better than hand 4. I would certainly open hands 3 and 5 (of course), the rest I consider a style issue. Playing with my husband (who is intermediate or advanced-intermediate) I would pass with the other hands. Playing with my favorite (bridge-) partner I would open all but the first hand but please keep in mind that we frequently open 5332 11-counts as well.
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Posted 2008-December-06, 09:50
2 also. Nice poll! Good stuff for discussion.
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Posted 2008-December-06, 12:48
Last one only.
Would argue, though, to lighten this opening requirements at MPs back to hand 3, but then, at MPs with this opening style would argue against 2/1 use, so go figure.
As far as hands 3 and 4, 3 is more defensive while 4 is more offensive, so in the sense of opening offensive potential 4 is slightly superior - whereas, JDON is clearly inferior so he shouldn't be opened at all.
Would argue, though, to lighten this opening requirements at MPs back to hand 3, but then, at MPs with this opening style would argue against 2/1 use, so go figure.
As far as hands 3 and 4, 3 is more defensive while 4 is more offensive, so in the sense of opening offensive potential 4 is slightly superior - whereas, JDON is clearly inferior so he shouldn't be opened at all.
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