[jillybean]

Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ 3 ♥ AJ74 ♦ 63 ♣ AQJ742

West North East South

 -     Pass  Pass  1♣
 1♦    1♠    Pass  2♣
 Pass  Pass  2♦    Pass
 Pass  2♠    Pass  ? 

Here's a hand I had the other night where we missed the best contract.
I'll post the other hand later but for now do you agree with the bidding and
what is your bid now?

[Trumpace]

Pass.

[karlson]

I'd correct to 3c. I don't see how this can be wrong when partner didn't bid 2s over 2c.

The previous bidding seems fine.

[kfay]

Bid again.

If partner really wanted to play 2♠ that badly he shoulda bid it over 2♣.

[han]

Agree, partner's clubs are better than our spades.

[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     Pass  Pass  1♣
 1♦    1♠    Pass  2♣
 Pass  Pass  2♦    Pass
 Pass  2♠    Pass  Pass
 Pass  

I missed the meaning of my partners pass over 2♣.
Does anyone I think 3♣ would have been better than 2♠?.

[maggieb]

I do. Partner had the right idea but you would have bid 2S over 2D anyway if you were 3-6 in the blacks. The choice was between a 9-card club fit or at most a 7-card spade fit, doesn't seem too hard!

[P_Marlowe]

3C.

Partners pass over 2C should deny a 6 card
spade suit.
He should also have some tolerance for clubs.

2S was fine, ... as long as partner understands
the bid, 2C could be based on a 5 carder, say,
opener has 4 hearts and less the reverse strength.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[ArtK78]

I don't like partner's 2♠ bid on Kxxxx I fully expected that the 2♠ bid was on 5 cards (partner would have bid 2♠ over 2♣ with 6), but the suit should have been better - at least KJTxx, maybe even better than that. Partner should expect that opener will pass 2♠ automatically if opener holds xx in spades, and maybe with a singleton honor. Kxxxx does not play well opposite either of these holdings, and partner holds Kxx of clubs.

I don't know about your personal tendencies, but I would raise spades on any reasonable 3 card spade holding. So partner should know that opener does not have 3 reasonable spades on this auction.

The fact is that I would have bid 3♣ on both hands - I would have bid 3♣ instead of 2♠ on partner's hand, and I would have bid 3♣ on your hand since I don't want to play a 5-1 spade fit.

[whereagles]

han, on Dec 6 2008, 01:29 AM, said:

Agree, partner's clubs are better than our spades.

Indeed.

[jillybean]

Yes, I would have raised ♠ holding any reasonable hand and 3♠.
I should have realised my pards pass of 2♣ shows tolerance and corrected to 3♣.
otoh, I think my 2♣ bid should show 6 or is 5 standard ?

[jdonn]

jillybean2, on Dec 6 2008, 06:45 PM, said:

Yes, I would have raised ♠ holding any reasonable hand and 3♠.
I should have realised my pards pass of 2♣ shows tolerance and corrected to 3♣.
otoh, I think my 2♣ bid should show 6 or is 5 standard ?

You had already shown 6 clubs, but you might have had 2 (or even possibly 3) spades. So you don't go back to clubs to show extra length there, you go back to show lack of suitability for spades.

[jillybean]

jdonn, on Dec 6 2008, 04:49 PM, said:

jillybean2, on Dec 6 2008, 06:45 PM, said:

Yes, I would have raised ♠ holding any reasonable hand and 3♠.
I should have realised my pards pass of 2♣ shows tolerance and corrected to 3♣. 
otoh, I think my 2♣ bid should show 6 or is 5 standard ?

You had already shown 6 clubs, but you might have had 2 (or even possibly 3) spades. So you don't go back to clubs to show extra length there, you go back to show lack of suitability for spades.

Yes yes I understand that but pard must have thought I was showing 5

[jdonn]

Maybe, but I think we have already established partner did not bid correctly

[jillybean]

jdonn, on Dec 6 2008, 04:56 PM, said:

Maybe, but I think we have already established partner did not bid correctly

We both messed up and now I was thinking 2♣ was only 5... ntw

[Trumpace]

Why does partner's pass over 2C deny 6 spades? (Assuming your 2C promises 6).

Can't she be a min 6-3-3-1/6-3-2-2 hand?

[P_Marlowe]

Trumpace, on Dec 6 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

Why does partner's pass over 2C deny 6 spades? (Assuming your 2C promises 6).

Can't she be a min 6-3-3-1/6-3-2-2 hand?

First, partner did not open a weak two.
Second, 2C does not promise a 6 carder.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdonn]

Trumpace, on Dec 6 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

Why does partner's pass over 2C deny 6 spades? (Assuming your 2C promises 6).

Can't she be a min 6-3-3-1/6-3-2-2 hand?

Yes partner can pass 2♣ with 6 bad spades, especially with a doubleton club that can be the percentage action since we promised 6+ clubs.

[jillybean]

P_Marlowe, on Dec 7 2008, 04:01 AM, said:

Trumpace, on Dec 6 2008, 10:49 PM, said:

Why does partner's pass over 2C deny 6 spades? (Assuming your 2C promises 6).

Can't she be a min 6-3-3-1/6-3-2-2 hand?

First, partner did not open a weak two.
Second, 2C does not promise a 6 carder.

With kind regards
Marlowe

For me, 2♣ promises 6

[Fluffy]

whatever you promise or deny, 2♠ brings a clear message:

I want o play 3♣, but I wonder if 2♠ might be better.

If you had 2 spades and 5 clubs you might have problems deciding, with singleton spade and 6 good clubs it is easy.