[dcvetkov]

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you have this hand and hear this bidding

LHO Pd RHO

3♥ 4♠ Pass ?


Its not a great hand but you have 2 bullets and control in ♥. Do you pass and take plus or you cue 4D in support of spades ( Assuming parther will decipher that meaning?)

- What kid of hand does jump to 4S show?
- What kid of hand would be double, and then 3 or 4 s? Which one is stronger?

Reasoning and examples, please;)

[kenrexford]

I think slammish is right. I'd love to have Jx in trumps, or even 10x, but I don't have that. I think I'd bid 5♠ (if 5♥ would be the partnership bid to ask about a heart control).

[jdonn]

I like 5♥. It feels exactly in the invitational range, just worth one move then leaving it to partner.

[ArtK78]

You have to know your partner. The other night, playing with a relatively unknown partner in an ACBL Pairs game on BBO, this exact auction came up. I had Qxxx of spades, and an ace and king on the side. With some partners I would take a call, but I chose to pass. Partner had a balanced 17 count with AKJTx of spades. We barely made game.

Now, I am not saying that many players would make the bid my partner made on his cards (at least, I hope there are not), but there are quite a few players out there who are very aggressive in bidding games over preempts. So bidding to the 5 level on these cards may produce a minus score.

[jdonn]

Good point. If partner doesn't know how to play bridge then the correct bid may do a lot worse.

[dcvetkov]

jdonn, on Dec 2 2008, 01:57 PM, said:

Good point. If partner doesn't know how to play bridge then the correct bid may do a lot worse.

LOL

Josh, I must say this was cute.

Oh, by the way, do you think 4♠, should be 6+spades, most of the time? Should it promise six 100% of the time?

[dcvetkov]

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This was partner's hand. Draw your own conclusions if 4S was right

[kenrexford]

LOL

[rogerclee]

dcvetkov, on Dec 3 2008, 05:32 AM, said:

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This was partner's hand. Draw your own conclusions if 4S was right

I was afraid partner would have something like this!

[han]

4S shows 6+ spades and a hand too good for 3S. A good example would be AKJ10xxx x KQx Ax but partner can be slightly worse.

[gwnn]

contrary to popular belief, fast arrival does not apply when you make your first bid over a preempt.

[mikeh]

han, on Dec 3 2008, 10:53 AM, said:

4S shows 6+ spades and a hand too good for 3S. A good example would be AKJ10xxx x KQx Ax but partner can be slightly worse.

And so could his hand

[whereagles]

I would't bid over 4♠ because pard is bound to have short hearts, in which case he might have streched to bid 4♠ (which he did!)

[han]

Why would partner stretch to jump to 4S with short hearts?

[jdonn]

whereagles, on Dec 3 2008, 06:56 PM, said:

I would't bid over 4♠ because pard is bound to have short hearts, in which case he might have streched to bid 4♠ (which he did!)

I hope you aren't basing your answer on the hand he actually held.

Also I have no idea why he would stretch to bid 4♠ with short hearts. He would stretch to bid SOMETHING, but given that he is already bidding something there is no reason to either overbid or misbid like he did.

[whereagles]

jdonn, on Dec 4 2008, 12:02 AM, said:

Also I have no idea why he would stretch to bid 4♠ with short hearts.

With short hearts the pressure to bid is greater because it's unlikely pard, who's long in hearts and short in spades, will balance.

For instance:

AKQxxxx
x
Ax
xxx

is quite enough to a 4♠ bid over 3♥. At least I think so. Note that long spades mean pard isn't likely to raise a 3♠ bid because he'll have x/xx only. This makes a direct game bid more attractive.

[jdonn]

whereagles, on Dec 3 2008, 07:25 PM, said:

jdonn, on Dec 4 2008, 12:02 AM, said:

Also I have no idea why he would stretch to bid 4♠ with short hearts.

With short hearts the pressure to bid is greater because it's unlikely pard, who's long in hearts and short in spades, will balance.

I agree, which you would notice if you had quoted my entire post and responded to the point I actually made.

jdonn, on Dec 3 2008, 07:02 PM, said:

He would stretch to bid SOMETHING, but given that he is already bidding something there is no reason to either overbid or misbid like he did.

[whereagles]

my head hurts...

[poohbear]

I think pass is 100% clear . lets take the given hand. AKQJxx x KQ10x Kx and everybody bids 4S. Do you really want to be in slam opposite this? It's not like it went 2H 4S. Partner only has 2 levels of spade bids available. Dont hang them

[dcvetkov]

poohbear, on Dec 5 2008, 02:25 AM, said:

I think pass is 100% clear . lets take the given hand. AKQJxx x KQ10x Kx and everybody bids 4S. Do you really want to be in slam opposite this? It's not like it went 2H 4S. Partner only has 2 levels of spade bids available. Dont hang them

I agree. It should show 6 spades and offensive hand, but not powerhouse.
But what kind of hand is then double first, and then bid 4S?

Nobody gave an example

Is this one close?

AKQJx x KQ10 AKxx