[sheilafran]

Scoring: IMP

SLAM IS OBVIOUSLY ON BUT HOW TO GET THERE AND IN WHAT SUIT OR NT... SUGGESTIONS PLS

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[mr1303]

It might have play, but it's far from cold. You really need trumps 2-2 or a singleton Q of hearts to make this one, which I believe is around 50%.

6NT is worse, so I wouldn't worry about missing it.

[TylerE]

I'm not sure 6NT is worse, since you can make whenever Q of spades is onside no worse than 4th, after testing hearts.

[manudude03]

Slam isn't that good. Requires hearts to be 2-2 or 3-1 with singleton queen. If you really wanted to be there, then I guess it depends on what you would take 1C-1M-3D. I wouldn't open the north hand or open 2NT with the south hand.

If 3D is a splinter:

P-1♣
1♥-3♦(i)
4♣(ii)-4NT(iii)
5♣/♦(iv)-6H

(i) splinter
(ii) control bid
(iii) RKCB
(iv) depends on whether you play 0314 or 1430


If 3D would show some 5-6 hand:

P-1♣
1♥-4♦(i)
4♥(ii)-4♠(iii)
5♣(iv)-6H

(i) splinter
(ii) noting that North should downgrade KJx after the splinter
(iii) control bid
(iv) control bid

[matmat]

TylerE, on Dec 2 2008, 12:28 PM, said:

I'm not sure 6NT is worse, since you can make whenever Q of spades is onside no worse than 4th, after testing hearts.

does it still make if hearts break badly and they cover the ♠J?

[vuroth]

What matmat said.

[ASkolnick]

For people to know its 53% for either 2-2 or the queen to drop.

[jdonn]

mr1303, on Dec 2 2008, 12:14 PM, said:

6NT is worse, so I wouldn't worry about missing it.

6NT is better not worse.

[cherdano]

matmat, on Dec 2 2008, 11:30 AM, said:

TylerE, on Dec 2 2008, 12:28 PM, said:

I'm not sure 6NT is worse, since you can make whenever Q of spades is onside no worse than 4th, after testing hearts.

does it still make if hearts break badly and they cover the ♠J?

He was talking about Q432 onside.

[jdonn]

cherdano, on Dec 2 2008, 01:35 PM, said:

matmat, on Dec 2 2008, 11:30 AM, said:

TylerE, on Dec 2 2008, 12:28 PM, said:

I'm not sure 6NT is worse, since you can make whenever Q of spades is onside no worse than 4th, after testing hearts.

does it still make if hearts break badly and they cover the ♠J?

He was talking about Q432 onside.

How about Q(x)(x)(x)... onside, and 4+ spades with Qxx of hearts? Sure they might be able to break up the squeeze by ducking the ace of diamonds twice, but they probably won't, and anyway it might be doubleton.

[kenrexford]

My sequence, first:

O: 1♥ (barely)
R: 2♣ (I dislike splinters with stiff honors, and I dislike Jacoby 2NT with stiffs.)
O: 2♦ (a gadget; bid 2♦ here with 5332 if the diamond suit has a control)
R: 2♥ (the reason for the 2♦ call realized)
O: 2NT (denial of two of the top three heart honors)
R: 3♦ (heart weakness not yet a problem, not two of the top three clubs, one of the top three diamonds -- latter justifies the non-splinter)
O: 4♣ (not even one of the top three hearts, no spade control, not serious, but at least one of the top three clubs)
R: 4♦ (LTTC, just in case)
O: 4♥ (my hand is truly a dog)

At this point, Responder expects a diamond loser and a heart loser. However, 6♣ might have play if all is well in the world. Heart losers might be ditched on diamond cards and some kind of cross-ruff. That said, this looks rather bleak. Responder will pass.
I like playing only 4♥, even if it makes more.

Had Responder held a better hand, like maybe the spade Queen instead of the Jack, or the diamond Ace with some undercards, he would accept LTTC.

[mikeh]

P   1♣
1♥   3♦
4♣   4♠
5♣   5♦
5♥   P

3♦ = invitational or better splinter
4♣ = acceptance of invite, cue along the way in case of gf, borderline because of diamond wastage
4♠ = keycard (1430 is bad on this hand if we use 4N, and reversing the meanings of 4♠ and 4N is relatively inexpensive).
5♣ = 0 or 3
5♦ = Queen ask
5♥ = denial of Queen

Now opener cannot bid on.. off a keycard and the trump queen, even if he can assume Jxxxx (which is not a certainty) slam is borderline.

6N is clearly superior... for the reasons laid out by Josh in his last post... ♠Qxxx(x) onside along with the heart length is not high probability, but it is non-trivial.. and the opps are going to be on the top of their game if they duck 2 rounds of diamonds. Plus, even if they do, rho can't keep a diamond AND 4 spades and 3 hearts when we cash the clubs... 2 diamonds, 4 clubs leaves 7 cards... so we can cash the heart AK and throw east in to lead away from Qxxx in spades

I'd sure like to be able to say I found that line in real life

[cherdano]

I must be really dumb. Say, diamond to the ace and diamond back. How exactly do you test hearts, then play for a squeeze?

[mikeh]

cherdano, on Dec 2 2008, 02:10 PM, said:

I must be really dumb. Say, diamond to the ace and diamond back. How exactly do you test hearts, then play for a squeeze?

hmmmm... I guess you have to call for a card from dummy when you are actually in your hand

Goes to show that analysis and work shouldn't be combined

This is neither the first nor the last such error I have made or will make

[jdonn]

Surprised you didn't just blame me! I guess they could misdefend and allow it but it would take some pretty illogical defense.

6NT is better anyway it would seem, just by very little. Singleton queen of spades onside

[mikeh]

jdonn, on Dec 2 2008, 03:04 PM, said:

Surprised you didn't just blame me! I guess they could misdefend and allow it but it would take some pretty illogical defense.

6NT is better anyway it would seem, just by very little. Singleton queen of spades onside

That would have been too easy Not to mention that I had 'seen' the squeeze before I read your post...