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Dealer: N
Vul.: None
W N E S
-- P 3S ?
S: XX
H: AQ963
D: AX
C: KQXX
WHAT DO U BID?
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takeout or bid ur suit
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Posted 2004-April-16, 05:40
with my reg P X for takeout -- I have a REAL opening bid 
- ( HE is allowed to convert with GREAT spades and good points 
- ( HE is allowed to convert with GREAT spades and good points
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Posted 2004-April-16, 07:15
This hand is not as good as it looks. The spot cards are not encouraging, partner is a passed hand, and if they have the ♣A and ♥K they rate to be behind me.
I guess after long study, at imps, I would decide the hand probably should be passed, but after taking the long study to reach that conclusion, I would feel obligated to bid... because otherwise I put too much ethical pressure on partner and he will not be able to reopen due to my hesitation. So if I do bid, I would double, and pull 4♦ to 4♥. Dbl is the only way to get to play 3♠x or 3NT, when those contracts are right.
At matchpoints I would just double.
Ben
I guess after long study, at imps, I would decide the hand probably should be passed, but after taking the long study to reach that conclusion, I would feel obligated to bid... because otherwise I put too much ethical pressure on partner and he will not be able to reopen due to my hesitation. So if I do bid, I would double, and pull 4♦ to 4♥. Dbl is the only way to get to play 3♠x or 3NT, when those contracts are right.
At matchpoints I would just double.
Ben
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Posted 2004-April-16, 07:44
flytoox, on Apr 16 2004, 02:01 PM, said:
Dealer: N
Vul.: None
W N E S
-- P 3S ?
S: XX
H: AQ963
D: AX
C: KQXX
WHAT DO U BID?
Vul.: None
W N E S
-- P 3S ?
S: XX
H: AQ963
D: AX
C: KQXX
WHAT DO U BID?
Easy pass
More difficult if partner were not a passed hand...
If I double, I am pickled after partner's 4D response.
4H significantly overstates my heart suit.
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Posted 2004-April-16, 08:04
Double. As Ben said, only way to play 3♠* or 3NT when it's right. I like my hand. If p bids 4♦ I think I'll pass...
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Posted 2004-April-16, 10:35
dbl, not enough offensive for 4♣: ♣+♥; on 4♦ form partner - 4♥ scrambling. Misho
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Posted 2004-April-16, 11:02
After using my ten seconds to evaluate my hand a la Ben, pass. Not only are my honors in a bad position, my passed-hand partner's spade honors are also.
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Posted 2004-April-16, 12:27
Automatic pass.
Passed pd + Not vulnerable = Not worth risking a double.
I'd double if VUL even if pd is a passed hand.
I'd double if pd is not a passed hand no matter the vulnerability.
Passed pd + Not vulnerable = Not worth risking a double.
I'd double if VUL even if pd is a passed hand.
I'd double if pd is not a passed hand no matter the vulnerability.
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Posted 2004-April-17, 17:07
Pass: I don´t have the structure and on my style I don´t have any extra strenght, (Even I´m lackick 1 HCP), to double, and other options seem so unreasonable to me, so I really beleive I would be able to pass quick enough so my partner isn´t on an ethic problem.... but I was slept and hesitated too much I think I can switch to double.
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Posted 2004-April-18, 00:36
MP's I X.
IMP's I will most likely pass, but if I am down in match and I need some I will stick my neck out.
Mike
IMP's I will most likely pass, but if I am down in match and I need some I will stick my neck out.
Mike
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so much the better. If there is restlessness, I am pleased. Then let there
be ideas, and hard thought, and hard work.”
so much the better. If there is restlessness, I am pleased. Then let there
be ideas, and hard thought, and hard work.”
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Posted 2004-April-18, 01:55
Opposite a passed hand I pass. Opposite an unpassed partner I X, at Imps MP and BAM
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Posted 2004-April-19, 02:41
luis, on Apr 16 2004, 08:27 PM, said:
Automatic pass.
Passed pd + Not vulnerable = Not worth risking a double.
I'd double if VUL even if pd is a passed hand.
I'd double if pd is not a passed hand no matter the vulnerability.
Passed pd + Not vulnerable = Not worth risking a double.
I'd double if VUL even if pd is a passed hand.
I'd double if pd is not a passed hand no matter the vulnerability.
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Hi Luis!My teacher Radoslav Videnliev had a nice saying: "If you are afraid of wolves, don't go to forest for mushrooms"
Spoiler
When you are in situation where getting info is impossible you must play on statistics. It means in example to bid, because your p have around 8 hcp and fit and 4 level is safe. Anoter rule is to play for 2 TH in p after preempt from opps. Finally 5 losers hand with 15 good hcp is 2 zone of opening and worth normally nonjumping reverse is hand with which if I pass I will lose my little remain selfrespect of courage man .Misho
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Posted 2004-April-19, 07:52
I like your teacher Misho.
Mike
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“If there is dissatisfaction with the status quo, good. If there is ferment,
so much the better. If there is restlessness, I am pleased. Then let there
be ideas, and hard thought, and hard work.”
so much the better. If there is restlessness, I am pleased. Then let there
be ideas, and hard thought, and hard work.”
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Posted 2004-April-19, 08:57
mishovnbg, on Apr 19 2004, 03:41 AM, said:
luis, on Apr 16 2004, 08:27 PM, said:
Automatic pass.
Passed pd + Not vulnerable = Not worth risking a double.
I'd double if VUL even if pd is a passed hand.
I'd double if pd is not a passed hand no matter the vulnerability.
Passed pd + Not vulnerable = Not worth risking a double.
I'd double if VUL even if pd is a passed hand.
I'd double if pd is not a passed hand no matter the vulnerability.
Spoiler
Hi Luis!My teacher Radoslav Videnliev had a nice saying: "If you are afraid of wolves, don't go to forest for mushrooms"
Spoiler
When you are in situation where getting info is impossible you must play on statistics. It means in example to bid, because your p have around 8 hcp and fit and 4 level is safe. Anoter rule is to play for 2 TH in p after preempt from opps. Finally 5 losers hand with 15 good hcp is 2 zone of opening and worth normally nonjumping reverse is hand with which if I pass I will lose my little remain selfrespect of courage man .Misho
Your teacher is right and i wish i could push this into some players head (one in particular) but i am sure Luis know that. when i read this qeustion my answer was to double, later when i read what other ppl said i decided not to post here because i dont know if im right and if Luis pass i wouldnt advise otherwise unless im confident enough with my answer and im far from it here.
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