[jtfanclub]

64
KJT86543
T
KT

Nobody vulnerable, Dealer to your right opens 3 clubs.

Now what?

[655321]

3♥

[JoAnneM]

Pass. Don't pre-empt over a pre-empt. Who told me that?

[Cascade]

JoAnneM, on Nov 10 2008, 06:01 PM, said:

Pass. Don't pre-empt over a pre-empt. Who told me that?

I don't think this is a pre-empt with a hand worth 6-7 tricks opposite nothing.

[TylerE]

Put me with the 3♥ bidders. Will be impossible to catch up if we pass now.

[rogerclee]

This kind of hand has come up several times on the forums. As usual, 3♥ seems like the best call, since you have diamond shortness, and partner will routinely pass out 3♦ when you are cold for 4♥.

[Cascade]

rogerclee, on Nov 10 2008, 06:33 PM, said:

This kind of hand has come up several times on the forums. As usual, 3♥ seems like the best call, since you have diamond shortness, and partner will routinely pass out 3♦ when you are cold for 4♥.

The opening bid was 3♣ not 3♦

[jdonn]

JoAnneM, on Nov 10 2008, 12:01 AM, said:

Pass. Don't pre-empt over a pre-empt. Who told me that?

I don't mean to pick on you, but I have seen this several times before on the forums. The advice to not preempt over a preempt doesn't mean, as you seem to think,

"don't bid over preempts with hands that you would have opened with a preempt."

It means

"don't JUMP over preempts with hands that you would have opened with a preempt."

It's not saying "pass on this hand", that is nothing more than a matter of judgment. It's saying "don't jump to 4♥ on this hand", because that would show a very good hand. Sorry if that was all wordy, but it's something I have seen a few times.

That being said, my judgment says 3♥ here and it's not that close.

[pclayton]

3♥. This hand has nice playing strength. Shortness in the suit bid on our right is a bonus.

I will plan to pull the 1st penalty double by pard, but not the 2nd.

[wclass___]

pclayton, on Nov 10 2008, 01:44 AM, said:

3♥. This hand has nice playing strength. Shortness in the suit bid on our right is a bonus.

>>>You have ♣ KT

This is pass for me, and 3♥ is not close

[waubrey]

Well my partner and I play strong jump overcalls so I can't bid 4H. So I would bid 3H.

[Tcyk]

jtfanclub, on Nov 10 2008, 03:10 AM, said:

64
KJT86543
T
KT

Nobody vulnerable, Dealer to your right opens 3 clubs.

Now what?

If I bid 3H with that hand, the next stop will be slam. I'm not sure partner would be able to read 4H as a weak jump shift. Maybe 3H or 4H will be the right thing to do but my partner still has a chance to call. I think pass is right because 3H promises a hand worth about 16 points. You shouldn't fool mother nature nor your partner.

[rogerclee]

Cascade, on Nov 9 2008, 11:09 PM, said:

rogerclee, on Nov 10 2008, 06:33 PM, said:

This kind of hand has come up several times on the forums. As usual, 3♥ seems like the best call, since you have diamond shortness, and partner will routinely pass out 3♦ when you are cold for 4♥.

The opening bid was 3♣ not 3♦

Ok, then it is marginally less clear, but I would still do it.

[Codo]

Will I take more tricks with say:
Axx,KJTxxx,Jx, KJ then with the actual hand?

I doubt this, so my hand is worth a normal 3 Heart bid despite just 7 HCPS. But the seventh Heart is huge.

[P_Marlowe]

Tcyk, on Nov 10 2008, 02:42 AM, said:

jtfanclub, on Nov 10 2008, 03:10 AM, said:

64
KJT86543
T
KT

Nobody vulnerable, Dealer to your right opens 3 clubs. 

Now what?

If I bid 3H with that hand, the next stop will be slam. I'm not sure partner would be able to read 4H as a weak jump shift. Maybe 3H or 4H will be the right thing to do but my partner still has a chance to call. I think pass is right because 3H promises a hand worth about 16 points. You shouldn't fool mother nature nor your partner.

I doubt that a 3H bid promises a hand worth 16HCP,
I would say a min. opener with 5 hearts is enough.

I would also bid 3H, the danger is of course, that
partner can and will I expect some defence, which
I dont have, thats why I will repeat the heart suit,
if partner suggest a penalty.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gwnn]

no, don't pass with an 8 card suit, at least not now, not with this one.

[JoAnneM]

jdonn, don't worry about picking on me, I have really tough skin, and thanks for the clarification. Besides you didn't tell me I was stupid, you just told me I was wrong.

[helene_t]

waubrey, on Nov 10 2008, 08:22 AM, said:

Well my partner and I play strong jump overcalls so I can't bid 4H. So I would bid 3H.

Everyone plays strong jump overcalls over a preempt.

[Sadie3]

I'm going to bid 3H. If the opps want it, they are playing at the 4 level.

[pigpenz]

generally bidding 3♥ works but the hands where partner would have reopened with a double or 3NT we may end up too high, like 5 or 6♥.