[skjaeran]

I'd overcall 3♥ here, and I don't think it's a close decision. Partner won't go crazy just because I overcalled.

[ardf10987]

May be I'm alone in this raisoning... but... when I bid, normally, it to make (or hoping to make) a game.

If I bid 3♥, does really p will give me four with stiff Q♥ and AQ♠? Or with A♥ and another ace?

Now suppose I bid 4♥ beeing wrong (as usual). What I will pay?
- 300? If they have game, it' fine
- 500? If they have game, it depends from scoring...
- My p will skyrocket me in a slam? Well... I have a lot of tricks facing aces... and... I always find Q♥

Okok... honestly... at the end, I'll probably bid 3♥ me too...

But I'll admire all 4♥ bidders...

[andy_h]

easy 3H.

[barmar]

jdonn, on Nov 10 2008, 02:32 AM, said:

JoAnneM, on Nov 10 2008, 12:01 AM, said:

Pass.  Don't pre-empt over a pre-empt.  Who told me that?

I don't mean to pick on you, but I have seen this several times before on the forums. The advice to not preempt over a preempt doesn't mean, as you seem to think,

"don't bid over preempts with hands that you would have opened with a preempt."

It means

"don't JUMP over preempts with hands that you would have opened with a preempt."

Hmm, I always thought it meant the former. When partner bids over a preempt, I expect them to have values, not just shape.

If you bid with this hand as well as a full opener with a good suit, how is partner supposed to know what to do when he holds a good hand?

I guess you hope he'll get the picture when you keep correcting anything he does (including doubling the opponents) back to your suit. Let's just hope this happens before you reach the stratosphere.

[jakob_r]

3♥ any day.

"If you bid with this hand as well as a full opener with a good suit, how is partner supposed to know what to do when he holds a good hand?"

pre-empts are intended to complicate your decision making. I would never blame partner for bidding 3♥ with that hand but I would be unhappy if he wussed out and passed..

[Codo]

barmar, on Nov 12 2008, 12:37 AM, said:

If you bid with this hand as well as a full opener with a good suit, how is partner supposed to know what to do when he holds a good hand?

I guess you hope he'll get the picture when you keep correcting anything he does (including doubling the opponents) back to your suit. Let's just hope this happens before you reach the stratosphere.

If he doubles 6 Club, I am still happy and will pass.
If he doubles 5 Club, this is critical. I will bid 5 Heart and say something like: Preempts works, sorry partner after I wrote my -500 instead of + 500.

But he will understand.

My hand is a full opener because of the great shape..
And if I had a hand with this shape AND more values, I had bid more then 3 Heart.

[han]

Clear 3H imo.

[bill1157]

Couldn't you pass and bid hearts on the next round?
3♥ looks ok with a conservative partner, but it looks like 4♥ might get you to a grand off 3 or 4 aces (depending on what form of blackwood is played).

Bill

[kenrexford]

JoAnneM, on Nov 10 2008, 11:06 AM, said:

jdonn, don't worry about picking on me, I have really tough skin, and thanks for the clarification. Besides you didn't tell me I was stupid, you just told me I was wrong.

He always tells me that I'm stupid. LOL

Actually, that's not true. He actually usually tells me that I know better and am trying to stir up controversy because I have a sick mind. That might have a wee bit of truth to it.