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See no evil, hear no evil, bid 3NT (III) How insane is 3NT?

Poll: How insane is 3NT? (31 member(s) have cast votes)

How insane is 3NT?

  1. I'd bid it. (6 votes [19.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.35%

  2. I wouldn't bid it. (11 votes [35.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.48%

  3. Foolish. (11 votes [35.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.48%

  4. Insane. (2 votes [6.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

  5. Get straightjacket and sedatives ASAP. (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

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#1 User is offline   OleBerg 

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Posted 2008-November-10, 03:55

♠ A5
♥ A1095
♦ 10865
♣ A62

All red at IMPs, opponents silent.

1nt - 3♦
?

1NT = 12 -14
3♦ = To play, always a six-card suit.

Motivation:

- Six diamond tricks and three aces makes nine.
- We have a reasonable run-out in 4♦.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:

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Posted 2008-November-10, 04:10

3NT.

The run out is not relevant, if I bid 3NT
I will play 3NT.

Unfortunately I was not able to vote
foolish, next time try harder, there is
a break between II and III.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2008-November-10, 04:21

Still no, but it's tempting.
Partner could have AHxxxx or AQxxxx, but without the ace our chances are small.
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Posted 2008-November-10, 04:21

This one is closer than some of the others, but I think it's still failing to trust partner.

Obviously system is part of it, did partner have a way of inviting in diamonds? Did partner have a way of signing off in 2D?

To make 3NT you need either a double stop in the suit they lead, and 5 diamond tricks, or six diamond tricks. To make six diamond tricks, you need AK opposite (or AQ and the suit coming in). That doesn't seem with the odds.
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Posted 2008-November-10, 04:40

FrancesHinden, on Nov 10 2008, 12:21 PM, said:

Obviously system is part of it, did partner have a way of inviting in diamonds?  Did partner have a way of signing off in 2D?

Partner didn't have the option of signing off in 2♦.

Partner could have invited with diamonds, but it would bring us in game anytime opener has a fit or a maximum.
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Posted 2008-November-10, 05:30

First one without sedatives! :ph34r:

I wouldn't bid 3NT but I wouldn't be displeased with partner if he tried it.
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Posted 2008-November-10, 08:46

A reasonable shot if you like to live in the fast lane.
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Posted 2008-November-10, 09:16

The IMP odds fall apart on these hands. Sure, AK-6th gives us 9 toppers. But, AQ-6th is barely biddable, because when 3N goes down, it's going down a lot.

And a suit anything worse makes 3N hopeless. Sure, pard could have a key side King, but you're only guessing. I also assume pard would bid 3♦ on Qxxxxx. Give me five diamonds, and this becomes much closer.

Don't play me for the perfect hand. I won't hold it.

Another issue. Since we are playing a weak NT, we might have stole this one from our opponents. Our partners very possibly are playing a spade contract, so two pluses will net us 5-7 IMPs.
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Posted 2008-November-10, 09:54

Would not bid it.

May I make a suggestion? This is part of the Soloway system over 10-12 1NT openings, and it makes this type of hand much easier to deal with, even over 12-14 1NT openings:

2NT response shows many types of hands, including weak with clubs or weak with diamonds. Opener must bid 3♣.

A 3♣ or 3♦ response to 1NT is mildly invitational and natural.

So, with the AKxxxx hand that you are looking for, partner would bid 3♦ and you can bid 3NT. But with the KQTxxx of diamonds hand where partner wants to play in 3♦ and absolutely no more, he bids 2NT and corrects 3♣ to 3♦.
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Posted 2008-November-11, 07:42

i'd pass, too much of a gamble
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