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Poll: 2/1 sys, 3rd seat opening? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

2/1 sys, 3rd seat opening?

  1. 1 C (26 votes [89.66%])

    Percentage of vote: 89.66%

  2. 2 C (2 votes [6.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.90%

  3. Other (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

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#1 User is offline   H_KARLUK 

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  Posted 2008-November-06, 06:06

Scoring: BAM

After two passed out the ball is at your hands.


A-- Say started 1♣ now 1 ♠ comes by partner, let me read yr rebid

B-- Say started 2♣ then 2♦ waiting bid

To 3♣ u will receive 4 ♣

Take it there please ;)
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Posted 2008-November-06, 06:17

I prefer a 2NT rebid but maybe I should make a more mainstream 2♦ rebid with a pick-up p. I think the hand is too strong for 3♣.
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Posted 2008-November-06, 06:23

#1 1C, not close
#2 3C, also not close as well

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Posted 2008-November-06, 06:25

1C then 3NT
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Posted 2008-November-06, 07:13

Can live with 1♣ - 1♠ - 3N or 1♣ - 1♠ - 2♦; I think I prefer the latter because this is a great dummy for a 6-2 spade (even a 5-2) spade fit.

Not my style to open 2♣ on a hand like this.
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  Posted 2008-November-06, 07:45

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I have no idea how you proceed.

Dummy revealed. You will see such a collection.
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Posted 2008-November-06, 08:02

H_KARLUK, on Nov 6 2008, 05:45 AM, said:

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I have no idea how you proceed.

Dummy revealed. You will see such a collection.

Oooh.

Definitely worth a positive move over a reverse, and probably over a 3N rebid too.
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Posted 2008-November-06, 09:37

H_KARLUK, on Nov 6 2008, 02:06 PM, said:

Scoring: BAM

♠ QJ
♥ A
♦ A32
♣ AKT8543
 

I think I would bid this:
1C-1S
2D-3C
3D-3S
4C-4D
4S-5D
5H-6C
3C=positive
3D/3S=control
4C=RKC
4D=4/1 of 5
4S=Kings?
5D=D King
5H=another K?
6C=No (Note that partner will probably bid 7C with a 4-card C and a doubleton D, Luckily that still is not hopeless)
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Posted 2008-November-06, 09:53

1C-1S-3NT. Shows good hand with strong clubs and (for mikeh) side suit stoppers, which we have.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-November-06, 10:16

1♣ 1♠
2♦ 3♣
4♣ 4♦
4♥ 4♠
4NT etc.

Only barely too good for a 3♣ rebid IMO.
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Posted 2008-November-06, 11:22

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Thanks all. I see. So PASS to 3N fine with such a collection? In my humble opinion 5♣ has better chances.
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Posted 2008-November-06, 11:27

H_KARLUK, on Nov 6 2008, 09:22 AM, said:

Scoring: BAM


Thanks all. I see. So PASS to 3N fine with such a collection? In my humble opinion 5♣ has better chances.

In my not-so-humble opinion, 6♣ has good chances.
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Posted 2008-November-06, 11:53

Still CQ may 3times offside with a failed SK finesse. Serious handicap for 3NT and also 6 clubs.

To me 3NT out of question, but 5C realistic. I won't blame to N if he pass to 3NT.

Mebbe itz just "A bird in th hand worths..." case ;-)
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Posted 2008-November-06, 12:05

H_KARLUK, on Nov 6 2008, 12:53 PM, said:

Still CQ may 3times offside with a failed SK finesse. Serious handicap for 3NT and also 6 clubs.

6♣ needs nothing more than 2-1 or 1-2 clubs, or 3-0 or 0-3 clubs with both finesses. It's an 83% contract, and in practice even more since they might lead a diamond. Let's not lose sleep that you have found a way it could go down please!
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Posted 2008-November-06, 12:07

H_KARLUK, on Nov 6 2008, 09:53 AM, said:

Still CQ may 3times offside with a failed SK finesse.

Only 89% then; (if we guess diamonds). Bad slam (sorry).
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  Posted 2008-November-06, 12:28

Scoring: BAM

Are we talking about this one?
In other words total 3 options required ♣slam:
1- friendly trumps
2- 2 way ♦ finesse
3- working ♠ finesse


Hopefully defenders are free to play their ♥ suit

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Posted 2008-November-06, 12:33

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Are we talking about this one?
In other words total 3 options required ♣slam:
1- friendly trumps
2- 2 way ♦ finesse
3- working ♠ finesse


Those are the options you need for the grand slam.

In 6♣ you need either friendly trumps or the finesses (as was stated several times before).
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Posted 2008-November-06, 12:34

Echognome, on Nov 6 2008, 01:33 PM, said:

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Are we talking about this one?
In other words total 3 options required ♣slam:
1- friendly trumps
2- 2 way ♦ finesse
3- working ♠ finesse


Those are the options you need for the grand slam.

In 6♣ you need either friendly trumps or the finesses (as was stated several times before).

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Posted 2008-November-06, 12:51

I got some impression that intention of my previous post in this thread has been misunderstood. Let me clarify:

As i stated : "I won't blame to N if he pass to 3NT."

For sure just test trumps, then employ spade finesse and pitch diamond loser.

Those three options might flash in North's mind "when decision moment appeared" whether to pass 3N or pull 6/7 etc. with such a minimum balanced holding without too much cover cards.

I do not think North knew South's shape well after :
1C>1S
2D>3C
3N
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Posted 2008-November-07, 03:20

H_KARLUK, on Nov 6 2008, 07:51 PM, said:

I got some impression that intention of my previous post in this thread has been misunderstood. Let me clarify:

As i stated : "I won't blame to N if he pass to 3NT."

For sure just test trumps, then employ spade finesse and pitch diamond loser.

Those three options might flash in North's mind "when decision moment appeared" whether to pass 3N or pull 6/7 etc. with such a minimum balanced holding without too much cover cards.

I do not think North knew South's shape well after :
1C>1S
2D>3C
3N

No-one has suggested an auction with that start to it.
(Not surprisingly, as having decided to reverse into diamonds and received news of club support, 3NT is an insane call on the next round)
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