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#1 User is offline   shanbari 

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Posted 2008-November-03, 14:26

Scoring: IMP



W-N-E-S
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2H X P ??



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Posted 2008-November-03, 14:42

What ever shows game values with a stopper. A bit of an overbid, but, not hugely...

Vuln at IMPs I'd rather overbid than underbid. Kinda makes me wish we weren't playing Leb so we had a natural inv. 2NT bid here...
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Posted 2008-November-03, 15:51

shanbari, on Nov 3 2008, 03:26 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP



W-N-E-S
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2H X  P  ??



I will bid 2NT Lebensohl here. If partner bids 3♣, I will bid 3NT carrying the message over. If partner should break the 3♣ transfer, I would start thinking about 6 whatever ;)
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Posted 2008-November-03, 15:57

Pass! It is possible I will defend when cold for 6m this way, but I think it's more likely that we will go down in 3N and I want the sure plus. I don't consider this a close decision.
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Posted 2008-November-03, 17:12

who says it's a sure plus??? ;)

anyway, opps have a spade fit and landed on a bad heart fit, so pass is clear
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Posted 2008-November-03, 18:15

3NT would be a gross overbid with such empty suits as well as the lack of high cards. Where are you going to get 9 tricks from?

Passing the double is rather more tempting, but it could go horribly wrong, so I think I'd bid 3C.
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Posted 2008-November-03, 19:52

3♣ for me too.

Passing might work, but if partner has a normal takeout double the opponents have a double fit in the majors, and they know about both 4-1 breaks, making the hand easy to play. I concede that even with all this, it is possible that 2♥X is in trouble.

But as long as 3♣ shows values, lebensohl style, we should get to a decent spot whether partner passes or bids again.
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  Posted 2008-November-03, 19:54

I think pass is nearly automatic for me. I won't play pard for what I need for game/slam. Additionally, this type of hand needs to defend and not declare - and it's a 4441 hand. Awkward.
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Posted 2008-November-03, 23:09

3C. I don't consider this a close decision.
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Posted 2008-November-06, 10:19

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S---W---N---E
P--2H---X---P
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N/S 6c is easy to reach, 7c is possible as well. and pass 2h x -4 (best defense) isn't good enough.

and if south choosed 3c/3n, that would lead to good contract.
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Posted 2008-November-06, 12:18

defence to opps weak 2's --must have a system!!!!!!!!!!!
my reg pard and i would have no trouble--when opps open weak 2h/or 2sp.
pard would bid-his best minor -guarenteeing min 4 cards in other major if pard holds the minors and no major 2n/t overcall is minor orientated,and if pard just bids the other major its natural--ill explain if opps open 2diamonds later
so on the given hand 2hts (Weak) pard bids 3cl- you as responder ,nice bid pard ,bids 3hts (Cue Bid) 4d also cue bid (good clubs) no five card spade,check for aces ok--check for kings---6cl ok, but one shld be thinking grand slam in clubs
now over 2d openers x is take out, treat the 2 diamonds as a 1diam call,2n/t is a stopper in diamonds ,there fore stayman and transfers apply, 2h/2sp/3cl natural competing,have used this method some years i put it about 83%success
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Posted 2008-November-06, 13:03

Whatever methods I play to show that I want to play in 3NT, that is what I do.

As for those of you who question where 9 tricks are coming from, didn't partner double? I could have sworn that shows a good hand.

On the actual hand, my action will no doubt lead to a club slam.

Passing out 2♥x at IMPs is just not rational. Most of the time you will make a game and not beat 2♥x enough to compensate you properly. If you do beat 2♥x 800 or more, you probably have a slam. And sometimes when you have a slam you will still not beat 2♥x more than 500.

And then there is that occasional hand where the opponents actually make 8 tricks in hearts.
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