[y66]

Matchpoints.

Jxxx AKxx QTxx x

Opps silent.

1D 1H
2H 3D
3H ?

We open almost all 12 HCP hands and many 11 HCP hands with 5c suits. 3D was a non forcing game try. 3H showed 4 hearts and a minimum opener.

[dicklont]

Pass. You asked, partner replied.
It's a pity that your 3♦ bid doesn't show ♦ values.
Then partner could make a more informed decision.

I have no problem with bidding 4♥ right away.
It's a bit of a gamble but it will make when partner has no wasted values in clubs.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

I voted, before I did see the explanation of 3H, ...

As it is, it is probably close, and if in doubt bid game,
but partner having 4 hearts did not get exicted about
my diamond values, so why should I,
... and my diamond values are the only reason, why I
would bid game.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mr1303]

If I was going to bid game, why did I bother making a game try?

[pclayton]

mr1303, on Oct 31 2008, 09:59 AM, said:

If I was going to bid game, why did I bother making a game try?

To see how quickly pard signs off?

This feels like one for the committee. If you are judging this as a game try, you need to pass over a sign off.

Are we playing the 2♠ or 2N gadget to ask about pard's trump length and strength? Does this partnership regularly raise on 3?

[gwnn]

+420

I'm happy with our -now confirmed- double fit and my concentration.

this non opener is an OK game:

xx Qxxx AJxx xxx

You can add a few hcp (or diamonds!) here and there to make it a very very good game.

[kfay]

Matchppints? I'll pass! Will not be surprised by +170 at all.

[y66]

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If I was going to bid game, why did I bother making a game try?

After pard bids 2H, I don't know if he is min or max or if he has 3 hearts or 4. When he bids 3H over 3D, he is showing a min (12-14 usually) and 4 hearts.

[ASkolnick]

Don't I have a 7 loser hand and a fit? I bid game.

[pclayton]

y66, on Oct 31 2008, 12:28 PM, said:

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If I was going to bid game, why did I bother making a game try?

After pard bids 2H, I don't know if he is min or max or if he has 3 hearts or 4. When he bids 3H over 3D, he is showing a min (12-14 usually) and 4 hearts.

Very sorry - didn't see the 3♦ non-forcing thing.

[cherdano]

I don't like the 3♦ game try. We really welcome any values except those in clubs, and 2♠ would have been a much better way to find out. If this means we have to play 3♥ in a 4-3 rather than 3♦, so be it.

[y66]

With 12-14 and 3 hearts, pard will pass 3D.

Point taken re: 2S as an alternative to 3D.

gwnn's argument for game seems fairly convincing. Don't understand ASkolnick's comment re: 7 loser hand (am not familiar with LTC). Will read up on it.

[MFA]

I like 3♦ and it's not illogical to raise 3♥ to 4 when partner confirms the 4th trump.
I have no strong feelings about the game/not game decision but would probably raise myself.

[han]

I also have n problem with 3D. I think game is slightly against the odds and I would not expect much of the field to bid it. At matchpoints I think this is therefore an easy pass.

[kgr]

y66, on Oct 31 2008, 05:11 PM, said:

Matchpoints.

Jxxx AKxx QTxx x

Opps silent.

1D 1H
2H 3D
3H ?

We open almost all 12 HCP hands and many 11 HCP hands with 5c suits. 3D was a non forcing game try. 3H showed 4 hearts and a minimum opener.

I would have bid 4♥ iso of 3♦.
After having bid 3♦ I now pass 3♥.

[the hog]

mr1303, on Nov 1 2008, 12:59 AM, said:

If I was going to bid game, why did I bother making a game try?

Could not have said it better myself.

[655321]

MFA, on Oct 31 2008, 04:32 PM, said:

I like 3♦ and it's not illogical to raise 3♥ to 4 when partner confirms the 4th trump.
I have no strong feelings about the game/not game decision but would probably raise myself.

Agree with MFA.

[peachy]

This poll is not meaningful. When 3D is a non-forcing game try in your methods, then opener could a) pass 3D bid 3H c) bid 4H.
After you have INVITED with 3D, you need to respect the signoff in partscore. If you don't respect it then your 3D was a misbid (I think it was, a misbid)

[jikl]

I can't believe there is a (current) 48% vote for bidding 4♥ at the moment given the context of the question. You have made a game try asking partner whether we can make game. Partner has said no. You 48% are saying screw you I am bidding it anyway? I hope to not have you as partners.

Whilst the system may be sub-optimal, at least respect it when answering.

Sean

[gwnn]

jjkl seriously have you read the opening post? Have you read the replies?

We disrespectful people who you wouldn't like to play with have said we would bid game because we know now about the 4-4 fit in hearts.