[DenisO]

Hi -Can anyone help please. When I read Forum posts the only suit symbol I can see is the Diamond symbol (♦) . I just get blanks for the other symbols. Yet as I write this post, I can see two versions of all the suit symbols above in the Code Buttons section.; when I hover the mouse over these, I see for example "Black Spade Suit Symbol (alt+)" - I get alt+ for every symbol.
I am using IE6. Is there some setting I have to adjust on my browser? I'd be grateful for any help

TIA
Denis

[Gerardo]

Strange. What version of Windows are you using?
What do you see in preview? the symbol buttons are graphics, but the symbols posted are text, not graphics.

How do you see this line?

♣♦♥♠♣♦♥♠♦

Don't play attention to the (alt+) thing, there is no such shortcut for the symbols.

[DenisO]

Hi - Yes very strange - I'm using WindowsME

When I click on one of the nine suit symbols I get text inside square brackets. However in preview mode I get blank spaces except for the diamond symbols

I see the test line you have put up as three diamond symbols - different colours.
In fact I can reproduce your line exactly by clicking on the nine suit symbols

Denis

[Gerardo]

Denis, what do you see in this post? <<=== "use mouse and click on "this post" hyperlink.

This post has been edited by inquiry: 2004-April-14, 10:21

[DenisO]

This is what I see :
"Denis, what do you see in this post? "

Nothing else

[inquiry]

DenisO, on Apr 14 2004, 11:11 AM, said:

This is what I see :
"Denis, what do you see in this post? "

Nothing else

Denis, he wanted you to "click" on the part that says "this post" that is a hot link that takes you to another thread with a lot of symbol problems have been addressed and has a lot of different fonts being used...

I suspect what he wanted was not so clear, so I have edited his post to make it clearer....

Ben

[DenisO]

OOPs - Sorry about that - another Senior moment ; I'm normally a bit sharper than that - and thanks Inquiry for the editing.

OK what DO I see?

With Arial and Impact, I get four different diamond symbols

With Times,Geneva,Lucida,Optima and Verdana I get an unfilled box followed by three different diamond symbols.

Only with Courier do I see all four suit symbols.
On the Courier line I get four blocks - the first and third blocks have all four suit symbols (slightly different).The second and fourth blocks have three rectangular blocks and the diamond symbol.

Hope this makes some sense Gerardo

Denis

[JRG]

I had thought the suit symbols were displayed using the Symbol font. If this is the case, check that you have it installed and that the font is not corrupted (I'm sure you can download a fresh copy from somewhere if you need to).

My browser is set to "Western (ISO Latin 1)", which I assume is ISO-8859-1.

[Gerardo]

Ben: thanks!

Denis: Sorry for not being clear

John: No, symbols are Unicode chars, should work with any font which have those .

Currently, the font used is the same used for the posts, let me check, appears it try to use Verdana, then Tahoma, then Arial, then Sans-Serif (families, not fonts, but should be a start).

Don't worry about 2nd and 4th blocks Denis, we are not using outlined symbols.

Can be an ME problem, think its Unicode support out of the box is not optimal.
But still, you are seeing some symbols, so not sure.

Denis what about the Diamond symbols? they are not the same in 1st and 2nd blocks, how do you see them?

Not sure about alternatives, will investigate.

[DenisO]

"Denis what about the Diamond symbols? they are not the same in 1st and 2nd blocks, how do you see them?"


Looking at Courier line:

1st block - Diamond is small, filled
2nd block - Diamond is small, unfilled - might be very slightly bigger than first block - dificult to tell - might be just optical illusion
3rd block - Diamond is large, filled
4th block - Diamond is large, unfilled

Denis

[Gerardo]

I can't change over to Symbol, as characters are different (if you ever saw something like §,¨,©,ª you know what I mean, same problem). BUT I could change all symbol suits to Courier if that helps.
People, pls take a look at the post I mentioned earlier, and tell me how do you see the symbols, and if Courier is NOT a valid alternative (primarily the 3rd group of symbols, but also the 1st one).

[Erkson]

Gerardo, on Apr 16 2004, 07:50 PM, said:

People, pls take a look at the post I mentioned earlier, and tell me how do you see the symbols, and if Courier is NOT a valid alternative (primarily the 3rd group of symbols, but also the 1st one).

With Windows 98 the only line where I see all 4 suits symbols is the Courier one.
Those symbols are not so good looking as the .gif images we talked about in another thread :

I definitely prefer those black and red symbols.
Erkson

[Gerardo]

Found some things which could help here.

Unicode fonts for Windows computers

Look for "Miscellaneous Symbols", suit symbols are included there.

There is a long list of Fonts, with some included in Windows 2000 and XP, which are available in the Smart package of Microsoft's core fonts.

By default, the fonts used are Verdana, Tahoma, Arial, (any) sans-serif

Verdana and Tahoma doesn't include the suit symbols, but Arial does (the one include in this package)

Denis, can you install this package, and tell if this cause any difference? If all is well, it should correct the Arial view of the test post I mentioned earlier, and you should see all the suit symbols

[DenisO]

Thanks Gerardo - I've been to busy over the weekend to try this. I'll have a go at your suggestion in the next day or so.

Denis

[DenisO]

Gerardo, on Apr 17 2004, 04:48 AM, said:

Found some things which could help here.

Unicode fonts for Windows computers

Look for "Miscellaneous Symbols", suit symbols are included there.

There is a long list of Fonts, with some included in Windows 2000 and XP, which are available in the Smart package of Microsoft's core fonts.

Hi Gerardo

I've now installed both of these fonts and it makes absolutely no difference to what I saw before.

However I've now tried a different approach - I've downloaded Mozilla Firefox and with this browser I can see all symbols. So It looks like a browser problem - but also a flaw in the Invision software which does not seem to provide suit symbols.
Interestingly I am also a member of a UK based bridge forum and their software package suffers from the same problem suit symbols not supported

So I will use Firefox for this forum and maybe for everything as I get the hang of it.

Just one final thought - I very much like the .gif images shown by Erkson in this thread. I think they would be superior to what we have. Is there a problem providing them?

Denis

[Gerardo]

Good luck with Firefox!

Check the Extensions!

I'm currently using:

• Flash Click to View
  
• Adblock
  
• editCSS (a MUST if you develop web pages)
  
• IE View (open the page you're seeing in IE) [installed because of this forum]
  
• Tabbrowser Extensions (if you like Tabbed Browsing now, this is better)

and some others. (that's why I didn't caught the ♦ issue at first)

I'm using exactly those graphics for the buttons of the symbols, giving the option of 1 (black), 2(black and red) or 4 (green, orange, red, blue) colors for them, writer's choice.

Not really a problem, you can use the IMG button for that,

 
[IMG]http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/forums/doc/images/club.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/forums/doc/images/diamond.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/forums/doc/images/heart.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/forums/doc/images/spade.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/forums/doc/images/black_club.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/forums/doc/images/black_diamond.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/forums/doc/images/black_heart.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/forums/doc/images/black_spade.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/forums/doc/images/red_diamond.png[/IMG]

This could be put in a button, however, I prefer the text version. I did at first on the basis you can scale the text, and not the graphics, cut & paste, and in general, manage the post in ways you can't do with the graphics inserted.
This proved to be very rare, still, not convinced about the graphics.
Should they be a choice?