My BBO diary
#1
Posted 2008-October-25, 22:51
A- Problems of free tournaments:
1- I did not see too much discipline. Neither players nor most free TDs aware rules. Sorry, just play, keep yr mouth shut and never read is not my favorite.
2- Software should not allow starting time change like on paid groups
3- Senseless table definition comments.
4- It should not allowed to create more than one free tournament nor team table in an hour.
5- Tournament rules update should be a must.
6- I have no idea why free TDs do not create a web page and post their schedule.
7- To me they also should communicate with paid group managers.
Shortly, sorry but i also see many behaviorual handicaps. If anyone not believes my words can run a free tournament. As once stated on BBO help files :
Running a tournament is work — not a lot of work, but work. It is not for everyone. The idea is always should be not to overstep any given authority, privilege or rights. Bridge is a friendly game. No need personal conflicts. It never helps to improve your game and get maturity day by day.
B- I follow Traffic History Graph for bridgebase.com. Percent of global Internet users who visit this site really good in my standards. At least it makes me happy.
But i cannot say same for where people go on Bridgebase.com:
online.bridgebase.com - 56%
bridgebase.com - 25%
forums.bridgebase.com - 7%
adserver.bridgebase.com - 7%
doc.bridgebase.com - 2%
bridgebase09.bridgebase.com - 1%
web04.bridgebase.com - 1%
Other websites - 1%
C- I want to see ticket order forms. I promise I will buy too much and advice my clubmates also to buy a lot.
D- I want to see better days. I want to see 1st BBO Internet World Bridge Championship 2009. It's done on 2000 and 2001 on another online bridge website.
I know we can collaborate well and fix it. I hope I will be right right on all my counts.
Best regards
#2
Posted 2008-October-26, 02:55
H_KARLUK, on Oct 26 2008, 07:51 AM, said:
A- Problems of free tournaments:
1- I did not see too much discipline. Neither players nor most free TDs aware rules. Sorry, just play, keep yr mouth shut and never read is not my favorite.
2- Software should not allow starting time change like on paid groups
3- Senseless table definition comments.
4- It should not allowed to create more than one free tournament nor team table in an hour.
5- Tournament rules update should be a must.
6- I have no idea why free TDs do not create a web page and post their schedule.
7- To me they also should communicate with paid group managers.
Shortly, sorry but i also see many behaviorual handicaps. If anyone not believes my words can run a free tournament. As once stated on BBO help files :
Running a tournament is work — not a lot of work, but work. It is not for everyone. The idea is always should be not to overstep any given authority, privilege or rights. Bridge is a friendly game. No need personal conflicts. It never helps to improve your game and get maturity day by day.
B- I follow Traffic History Graph for bridgebase.com. Percent of global Internet users who visit this site really good in my standards. At least it makes me happy.
But i cannot say same for where people go on Bridgebase.com:
online.bridgebase.com - 56%
bridgebase.com - 25%
forums.bridgebase.com - 7%
adserver.bridgebase.com - 7%
doc.bridgebase.com - 2%
bridgebase09.bridgebase.com - 1%
web04.bridgebase.com - 1%
Other websites - 1%
C- I want to see ticket order forms. I promise I will buy too much and advice my clubmates also to buy a lot.
D- I want to see better days. I want to see 1st BBO Internet World Bridge Championship 2009. It's done on 2000 and 2001 on another online bridge website.
I know we can collaborate well and fix it. I hope I will be right right on all my counts.
Best regards
Rehi all,
Sorry for some mistakes. I try to correct :
4- It should not allowed to create more than one free tournament nor team table in an hour "by same TD."
5- Free Tournament rules update should be a must.
This is BBO's view :
"Running a tournament is work — not a lot of work, but work. It is not for everyone. "
Rest are my thoughts.
D- "I hope I will be right on all my counts."
Thanks
Hamdi Karluk
H_Karluk on BBO
#3
Posted 2008-October-26, 03:27
I do not share your views on free tournaments.
As long as free tournaments do not cause complaints to BBO, I see nothing wrong in letting people run them as they wish.
There are a large number of free tournaments. Some are truly excellent, others I would never play in, but they are very popular and I don't see why anyone should impose their own rules on a volunteer giving up their time to run a free event on BBO.
In summary, some are excellent value for money, others you get what you pay for.
Paul
#4
Posted 2008-October-26, 05:11
cardsharp, on Oct 26 2008, 12:27 PM, said:
I do not share your views on free tournaments.
As long as free tournaments do not cause complaints to BBO, I see nothing wrong in letting people run them as they wish.
There are a large number of free tournaments. Some are truly excellent, others I would never play in, but they are very popular and I don't see why anyone should impose their own rules on a volunteer giving up their time to run a free event on BBO.
In summary, some are excellent value for money, others you get what you pay for.
Paul
Paul,
Maybe I took this game too much serious. I read all BBO manuals. I read all BBO TD scripts. Still follow and keep every posted news.
I want to find the logical reason. Is it really simple ignorance and illiterate or people dislike fair play in online Bridge Game.
I am still unsure most of free TDs and players are aware of formats.
I wonder, "volunteer" means permitted to ignore established rules of site and free to act whatever wish anytime? Sorry, not my cup of tea.
Sure , you may dislike and i respect.
I remembered :
1) Oscar Wilde (Irish Poet, Novelist, Dramatist and Critic, 1854-1900). He quoted : “Everything popular is wrong.”
2) “Isn't it strange that I who have written only unpopular books should be such a popular fellow?”
Albert Einstein (German born American Physicist who developed the special and general theories of relativity. Nobel Prize for Physics in 1921. 1879-1955)
3) "I cannot trust a man to control others who cannot control himself.”
Robert E. Lee was perhaps the US Civil War's most famous a respected general officer offered command by both the north and the south.
I wld be highly delighted to read your comments abt B,C and D.
Thanks.
#5
Posted 2008-October-26, 06:20
Then I met Georgi. He revised my.lin file. It is now in 3 languages (English, Spanish, Turkish). I plan to add more languages soon.
I appreciate these two humble gentlemen. I will never forget their favor.
"You are here : Highest Ethics - Helps to improve your play"
Hi there, I try to conduct friendly.You may like it with the new BBO.
http://webutil.bridg...fetch.php?id=48
It behooves us in bridge, as in life, to remain polite at all times. Maintain sound emotional control even in the height of a dreadful bloody battle! Try to be calm during play for the sake of others who may be concentrating on a tricky hand. At least, aim to type gently if you must notice.
Conventions/Unusual defensive carding agreements must be prealerted (if CC not exists).Inform the TD when game stopped more than 30 seconds.
Adjusting unfinished board to board result (if obvious line of play)
A: If the TD sees that a particular outcome would be reached with any reasonable continuation of play, or if both sides agree on what the outcome will be, the TD should adjust the board to that outcome.
B: If more than one reasonable continuation of play exists, which would produce different board results, the TD often can not assign a specific board result . Then, the TD determines if either side is at fault for the round not being finished. If the TD was not called to the table during the round, and the board's outcome can not be determined, the TD can leave the ave- that the system assigned or adjust to ave= for both pairs.
exception: If the declarer or defense has already won or will surely win enough tricks for a good result.}
Click the forward button on the toolbar below to go on to the next page.
Disallowed : Psyches & Undos & Artificial club systems & Kibitzers
(except 3 minutes before results posted) & Tournament chat
vs Rudeness : A tutorial for creating a screenshot is available at (click) the link below for more information.
http://bridgebase.co...h/scrnsnap.html
It is up to the host and directors to decide how much they want to get into the business of score adjustments. The idea of online tournaments is to automate the process as much as possible. Accordingly, the TD may want to avoid score adjustments and discourage complaints about alerts, lack of alerts, poor explanations, etc.
BBO Yellows may become involved if behavioural issues arise; however they have volunteered to assist members get to know BBO and to deal with behavioural issues, not to resolve directing issues (that is my job as a tournament director).
I have to monitor the tournament. I cannot abandon the tournament part way through.
Running a tournament is work — not a lot of work, but work. It is not for everyone.
I care not to type even a word on my running tournament chat. I don't want players dictracted.
I hope new and better ideas will arise.
Hamdi
#6
Posted 2008-October-26, 09:21
I know you are one of the good TD’s, many people enjoy your tournaments and you put a lot of effort into running them.
I think the sad fact is that tournaments on BBO have very few rules and other than the occasional disgruntled player, noone cares how they are run or about the people who run them. If a player does not like a particular TD, they are free to leave and not play there again. You will drive yourself nuts trying to clean up the free games so find a format that works for you and ignore the rest.
Good luck
Bridge should be fun!
#7
Posted 2008-October-26, 17:57
jillybean2, on Oct 26 2008, 06:21 PM, said:
I know you are one of the good TD’s, many people enjoy your tournaments and you put a lot of effort into running them.
You will drive yourself nuts trying to clean up the free games so find a format that works for you and ignore the rest.
Good luck
Hi
Well, I hope i deserve such a nice compliment.
Anyway, my apologies. I am still agree with Benjamin Franklin (American Statesman, Scientist, Philosopher, Printer, Writer and Inventor. 1706-1790)
“Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.”
I merely wish more meaningful and fruitful events. That's why i defend a bit more discipline in field.
BBO is a great design for today and tomorrow. I cannot let anybody ruin aesthetic.
Do not we deserve to save our energy and to focus principles and "good work" please?
I ask everybody also to comment abt B,C,D Items.
Thank you very much.
#8
Posted 2008-October-26, 19:54
This is where it gets interesting, is a pair that plays a 2455 ♣♦♥♠ SAYC variant system artificial? (A lot of people play this) They could be bidding it with only a 2 card suit. It seems you are taking bits and pieces from both sides here while criticising nearly everyone else.
Sean
#9
Posted 2008-October-26, 20:01
jikl, on Oct 27 2008, 04:54 AM, said:
Sean,
Artificial systems and Psyches defense need preparations with regular partnership. On BBO mostly pick-up partnerships.
That's the reason i wanted to keep the balance.
Thanks
Hamdi
#11
Posted 2008-October-26, 20:31
jikl, on Oct 27 2008, 05:03 AM, said:
Sean
Sean,
Can you tell it is a natural based system? I do not think so.
I respect artificial systems. Maybe one day i decide to create an event only for "artificial system bidders"
Hamdi
#12
Posted 2008-October-26, 21:39
Sean
#13
Posted 2008-October-27, 00:18
I do not know have you ever heard a system called "nightmare". Say, it is some pairs sys card. I admit they may be polite and they are really to sportsmanship soul. They may also be very careful using alerts in time.
I respect their willing to play an artificial system. On the other hand could you please tell me what are the chances of a pick-up online partnership versus such unusual methods for their natural bridge repertoire?
Similarly, the ACBL also disallowed Multi convention on their tournaments. I do not think this is unfair. You know they have strict principles and apply General convention card. Due to it some artificial relay systems also not welcomed.
It's never personal. Maybe you can interprete as "2/1; sayc; sef - natural based systems with some gadgets allowed"
Thanks
Hamdi
#14
Posted 2008-October-27, 02:09
“The way you get meaning into your life is to devote yourself to loving others, devote yourself to your community around you, and devote yourself to creating something that gives you purpose and meaning.”
by Mitch Albom
There should be no difference between online and "s e r i o u s" live tournaments.
It's a thing like noone can drive safe in a crowded road if there are not lines, lights and warning labels. The road also should be under good conditions and regularly needs being checked. Otherwise noone can get rid of irrelevant accidents.
Hope helps
Thanks
Hamdi
#15
Posted 2008-October-27, 03:32
Quote
Um, reread what I said, I was praising Jilly, but saying I didn't necessarily agree with her praise of this person
Sean
#16
Posted 2008-October-27, 05:36
A- Zillions message bombs and kibitzers with absurd formats
B- Silence and carefully scheduled with reasonably adjusted clocked IMPs.
Some may like about option A, srry i do not need such "random" players. I saw many of them easily getting upset, sometimes bids 7Nxx or leave game quickly and ran to another free event. I am talking about "responsibilities". Bridge game should not be recognized to satisfy selfish needs. Whatever their level people join there to test skills.
I picked IMPs clocked movement , b/c NS fixed, groups, players may happy when they are nearest winners in their groups. Also it's a competition amongst their direction.
Limit is important for registry. I am trying to conduct tournaments which more players compete each others under fair conditions. Soon, i will try "ladder system".
I cannot realize a worst thing than same time tea party and bridge contest.
In other words :
"Quality, but not quantity". I believe rare things are always worthy and elegant. Hopefully it's not a problem.
#17
Posted 2008-October-27, 12:47
H_KARLUK, on Oct 26 2008, 09:01 PM, said:
jikl, on Oct 27 2008, 04:54 AM, said:
Sean,
Artificial systems and Psyches defense need preparations with regular partnership. On BBO mostly pick-up partnerships.
That's the reason i wanted to keep the balance.
Thanks
Hamdi
There is a difference between an artificial system, and a natural system based in 2./1 (or SAYC) that opens 5542. I play the latter. I open 1C with a 2 card club suit only when the hand patter is 4432, any other time it is completely normal 2/1. You appear to be trying to disallow this, and that is wrong. 1C is alerted as "can be 2 cards", the opponents are told "We play 2/1, 1C can be 2 cards". There is absolutely nothing artificial about this.
The other point you appear to be trying to make is with regards to "controlled psyches". It is fine (normally) to disallow these, however to out and out ban psyches of all kinds is against the rules of bridge also. There is no defense to a regular psyche, you just need to learn to play bridge.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
#18
Posted 2008-October-27, 14:38
#19
Posted 2008-October-27, 16:51
2) Better to finish one then start 2nd teams.
I saw some intentionally misuse there, i laughed a lot. B/c obviously sign of inferiority complex.
Somebody knows people run for 1st available tournaments. If their limit is increased while the other TD unable to create 2 tournaments or 2 teams same time; they do such a trickery TO MAKE MOST CROWDED TOURNAMENT ( B L A H B L A H) :
They create a sudden 2nd quickie tournament within 10 mins starts while their main and first created tournament is behind their opponent (rofl) target TD on field. Then when people begins to register and see at least 10 tables they delay starting time.
This is just a "disrespect" to players. It seems some crew thinks more tables = more successfull vision. Haha. Formats always "unclocked", short playing times and boards.. Unbalanced and impossible to test real winners.
I still laugh; such crazy crew must feel happy. No matter good tournament conditions formed. They did a trick and felt superior, it's enough.
They only need something to cover their weakness temporarily. Pity.
It is just laziness. I have no idea why they simply ignore LUSOBRASIL notes. There tournament formats and their means clearly described.
All bridge players are ambitious and they deserve better conditioned free tournaments. Unfortunately there is a minority who disrespects th others; they shld be eliminated by system soon or late.
I cannot think the unpaid tours as a "pastime". Perhaps my words will interpret "complicated".
We will see if my thoughts are worthwhile and an issue that people will "mobilize" around or not.
#20
Posted 2008-October-27, 21:40
H_KARLUK, on Oct 27 2008, 03:51 PM, said:
Hey Hamdi,
Check again what LUSOBRASIL says about psyches.
Bridge should be fun!

Help
