[cherdano]

TimG, on Oct 24 2008, 04:15 PM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 24 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

Sorry if I'm being picky. I don't think pass is a misdescription, since I don't think it shows anything other than "doesn't fit any other bid"

Back when Roth invented the negative double, his definition was something very much like "doesn't fit any other bid".

Well, the negative double today should really have a different name than Roth's negative double.
The double today says "I have 4 hearts, enough values to bid, and not a penalty pass.".

[dake50]

On both hands, I think the S-stop/no S-stop is paramount.
Hand 1 has stop so 1NT even shy a Q. This doesn't bar partner showing good hearts.
Hand 2 is cue 2S asking S-stop /or where? Again light, but focusing on S-stop.

[cherdano]

I would pass with the first hand and double with the second.

[Codo]

I rerally don`t care about the first hand. Double and pass are fine, maybe 1 NT can work on a good day too. I would double.

The second hand is a problem: In my regular partnership we play that 2 NT here shows a club raise inv. or better, so the cuebid is free to show a hand which cannot been shown different- most likely this hand type, because we have non forcing bids with 2 ♦♥ and forcing bids with 3 ♦♥ for one suiters. The first proirity in the answer is to show a spade stopper with 2 NT (11-13) or 3 NT (around 14-16).

Of course this creates some other problems, but up to now it serves us well.

[hotShot]

han, on Oct 25 2008, 12:15 AM, said:

I picked up this hand on a Dutch bridge forum. I was the lone doubler there, others voted for 2D, 2S and also one 1NT. I have found that pass is rarely an option for Dutch bridge players.

I would expect that in a Dutch bridge forum. They have a strong Acol background there, where 2♦ would just be promising (9)10+ HCP an 4♦'s.